Black Metal Mafia - SCUM WINS

[SoN!c]

Demonaz vs Son!c

Son!c is hereby accused of not being a member of a Black Metal Group.
He is further accused of being a boyband (One Direction) member at best, and
totally devoid of any musical talent at worst.
In either case he is accused of being an imposter.

He is further charged with the aggravating offence of lyrics unbecoming to Black Metal.
naaddaa naadaa naaadaa

The Case for the Prosecution


The evidence that I will outline here is albeit circumstantial, there is no signed
confession, no smoking gun, there never can be in No Recruit Circumstances.
But I trust if you fully consider all the circumstantial evidence which is light on
Days 1 and 2, but increasingly andcumulatively powerful in days 3 and 4, you
my wicked Black Metal townsfolk, can come to no other conclusion that Son!c
has no right to call himself a rockstar and should be lynched out of Scandinavia
IMMEDIATELY.

The evidence will be numbered according to the order of Son!cs posts.

Days 1 and 2

14 23/12/24 points to suspicion Loose and Max have on Charle for too quick off the mark posting
rather than outright saying yes I suspect Charle too.
17 28/12/24 responds to Loose post suspicious of him because gone quiet after a lot of early flavour
posting with "If that’s how you feel vote for me" knowing full well Loose does not want to eliminate
Sonic Day1.
24 31/12/24 posts a confusing and pointless strategy, that’s worse than flipping a coin for jailkeeper
protecting Charle.
31 3/1/25 lightly warns Loose off, saying Loose sounds exactly like in Charles game nobodys going to
vote for Loose unless starting wild goose chases. Or perhaps he wants to characterise Loose as
starting wild goose chases after Loose has pointed out his strategy is worse than a coin flip.
33 4/1/25 confidently or misleadingly asserts we are in 2 jailkeepers 1 cop territory.
36 7/1/25 yikes post to conveniently throw shade at JFM and Loose at the same time.
39 8/1/25 agrees with Loose that there are fake claiming possibilities of no recruit, but still counters
mafia wouldn't have had weeks to think about it, thereby encouraging town to lean towards
recruitment scenario.
Asks for speculation on what cop should do and who would most likely murder Loose.
40 8/1/25 repeats specualtion probe and excuses himself from airing suspicions.
55 10/1/25 again Challenges Loose to vote Sonic because Loose said light scummy feelings about
Sonic D1.
56 11/1/25 again asks for speculation about what scum would do night 1
57 11/1/25 says he's pretty sure he's safe tonight - maybe to imply he's self jailing jailkeeper

Day 2

59 13/1/25 reacts with a bit of annoyance laced with a lot of sarcasm that Loose has voted Sonic.
66 16/1/25 after the jfm/sonic edit post saga Sonic ends his aggrieved party post with "im outta here"
Sonic begs to get in games - he's feeling a bit of vote and post pressure - town Sonic wouldn't
be defensive - mafia Sonic later changes tack.
67 16/1/25 "I'm outta here." still playing the aggrieved Sonic.
78 21/1/25 again Sonic threatens to leave

There's nothing too much D1 and 2 but Sonic increasingly throwing a lot of wild accusations around
which would serve a mafia sonic.

Day 3

83 Sonics surveyed the situation and decides after Loose has pointed out increasing likelihood of no recruit
that mafia Sonics best form of defence is attack and so votes Loose
84 Justifies his vote on Loose on basis that Loose has suspected so many players - town has to be suspicious or on
alert from all early on. Mafia Sonic has decided that attack on Loose is well and truly his best form of defence.
Now its full force Sonic.
85-95 posts attacking Loose.
96 30/1/25 Loose is playing and posting strategic thoughts or trying to, which mafia Sonic doesn’t like so
says Loose is leaving "0 room for initiative outside your (Looses) own.
97 30/1/25 Sonic sidles up to Kong.
98 31/1/25 post attacking Loose
99 31/1/25 attacks Loose for browsing forum without posting
100 & 101 31/1/25 attacks Loose - says Loose hasn't been answering questions - but he has been its just the questions
have been twisted.
102 attack on loose
103-106 2/2/25 resumes attack on loose because EW says he gets my point on Sonic whatever else we disagree on,
107-108 again attacks Loose
111 4/2/25 again attacks Loose
112 4/2/25 resumes browsing without posting attack on Loose
113 4/2/25 another browsing without posting attack on loose
114 4/2/25 a third browsing witohut posting attack on loose
115 & 116 attacks on loose
117 5/2/25 jaaajaajjaa post on loose
118,119,120 posts vs Loose
121 6/2/25 outright lie that Sonic has been pushing Loose since day1
121 & 123 posts vs Loose
124 6/2/25 another brwsing without posting attack on loose
125 7/2/25 a longer attack on loose
126 10/2/25 a further attack on loose
127 attack on loose
128 & 129 11/2/25 attack on loose
130 11/2/25 another browsing without posting attack on loose
131 12/2/25 I can switch oif neceassary post

Day 4

132 13/2/25 mafia Sonic excuses himself for not voting Max after EW has done so, but still manages to accuse Loose of not voting Max.
scum Sonic has figured that if he tied hinself closelky with EW both would come under suspicion but Sonic more so.
133 13/2/25 attack on loose
134-137 14/2/25 attacks on loose
138-141 15/2/25 attacks on loose
142-145 16/2/25 attacks on loose
150 16/2/25 attacks Traf after Traf has said he leans Losse is town
151 16/2/25 another browsing without posting attack on looise
152 16/2/25 comes off of attack on Traf resumes attack on Loose
153 & 154 positnig time attack on loose
155 votes loose
157 18/2/25 attack on loose
158 18/2/25 yadadadayada post
159 18/2/25 attack on loose
160 18/2/25 attacks loose for pressing Dev, interrupts pressing
161 18/2/25 yadayada post
162 18/2/25 backs off when Dev says Sonic is on his scumdar as well as Loose
163 20/2/25 attacks Loose
164 20/2/25 Loose has been online attack oin loose
165 21/2/25 attacks Loose
166 big Dirty Sonic attacks loose.

The case for the prosecution is a Scum Sonic is addicted to posting and for want of anything else uses attack as best and only
form of defence.
Yadadadayada further more has no place in the Lyrcis of Scandinavian Black Metal.
Demonaz rests his case

Oh man. . This is by far the most funny post ever ! i have to quote it so it cant be altered "naaddaa naadaa naaadaa"

[SoN!c]

."has no right to call himself a rockstar and should be lynched out of Scandinavia
IMMEDIATELY.

The evidence will be numbered according to the order of Son!cs posts

"

[SoN!c]

Ps: @loose: you did not answer my questions and i feel lucky..

[SoN!c]

Okay, loose is going out in style but we still need to find his partner.. got good ideas? Discuss

[Loose Canon]

Actually I don't feel lucky sonic.

I know as much as you can know there is a hard and damning case against you but what seemed like a novel approach won't top the black metal charts.

I do feel that I can anticipate most of mafia Sonic's moves though.
And I'll admit part of me wants to see mafia sonic win.

Good luck and good game if I'm lynched.

[Loose Canon]

Okay, loose is going out in style but we still need to find his partner.. got good ideas? Discuss

Getting your genuinely shocked that I flip town excuse in early I see.

[TrafalgarLaw01]

Sorry got prodded again . Did not wanted to comment much cause was really hoping for Kong to come and say more things but he also got prodded it seems.

So I need to read last 2 pages. I see Loose is at -1. i did find his post odd 8the one that charle pointed out as daychat), but will read everything else and come to see. Still would like to hear from Kong before we decided to Lynch

[SoN!c]

Sorry got prodded again . Did not wanted to comment much cause was really hoping for Kong to come and say more things but he also got prodded it seems.

So I need to read last 2 pages. I see Loose is at -1. i did find his post odd 8the one that charle pointed out as daychat), but will read everything else and come to see. Still would like to hear from Kong before we decided to Lynch

Unvote Loose

Why does Kong needs to explain his vote? Is loose not over obvious?

[TrafalgarLaw01]

Sorry got prodded again . Did not wanted to comment much cause was really hoping for Kong to come and say more things but he also got prodded it seems.

So I need to read last 2 pages. I see Loose is at -1. i did find his post odd 8the one that charle pointed out as daychat), but will read everything else and come to see. Still would like to hear from Kong before we decided to Lynch

Unvote Loose

Why does Kong needs to explain his vote? Is loose not over obvious?

Maybe he is super obvius, as said I need to read last 2 pages, sorry got distracted doing something else, but will do so tonight.
also
I just thought he had some info or something to say

Some interesting things to consider - I will vote Loose for now but I'll come back and assess things properly in a day or so.

[TrafalgarLaw01]

Ok a few thoughts.

I still believe Charle is town.
I found 1 idea interesting he said he put Loose at -1 for EW or me to hammer. Cause Max would not do it.
Ipersonally think max does not comment much but is impulsive on votting, he hammered the other day. And he did not hammer Loose. So maybe Charle got a point there.

I think Loos has been more townie this game than in sone of his previous one. But he tunneling for Sonic and Sonic defense had flooded the forum that makes hard to pinpoint anyone else. So still unsure on Loose Mafia, but the 1st point above made me think.

Kong could have info, still waiting on him.

EW has been super quiet (same can be said about me) and kind of tingles me.maybe low profile or scumie sense. Idk its like when we both were mafia and died the same night cause we knew each other.

Dev post today made a littlw more sense

So Max might be my no1 suspect today still

[Loose Canon]

As a frequent poster myself, it would make sense that I more than other players would be more instinctively tuned into the mindset of Sonic, than other players.
As Sonic has posted my instinct has been saying pretty near to 100% of as certain as I can be he is mafia.
So if 100% is as certain as a vanilla townie in this set up at this stage of the game can be that someone else is mafia;

99% is how far up that scale I was yesterday before writing Demonaz v Sonic
60% was how confident I was that if I gave it my best shot, I could provide a compelling reason for Sonic to be lynched
30% has how much I gave myself after completing Demonaz v Sonic - I'll admit that as I was writing it (on excel with the forum open) I had an increasingly sinking feeling that it was way less compelling than I thought it was going to be.
90% was the certainty I had that I not Sonic would be lynched today shortly after posting it
80% was how far up my scale of certainty that Sonic is mafia I then became
95% is how far up my scale of certainty I am now

On another matter I know you are all eager to know what is next for Demonaz following my splitting up of the Immortals and the unfortunate demise at the hands of a lynchmob of my erstwhile bandmate JFM.

I am pleased to announce I am releasing a Black Metal Charity Record
It is for a worthy cause - The Orphaned Wildcats of Trollheim - because kitty lives matter!
It takes its inspiration from my newly acquired Nipple Twisters - shout out to Rags
And its a Black Metal Version of an old Chubby Checker song - Lets Twist Again As We Did Lars Drummer
On the official comic video I am hoping to get Sonic to agree to strum his air guitar.

So go out and buy it - even if you buy nothing else I'm selling you.

[Charle]

Loose and Max are the two scum partners, I am happy to vote for any of them for various reasons I mentioned before.

[Loose Canon]

Hope you'll buy 10,000 copies of my charity record when I flip town then Charle?

[Devante]

Hope you'll buy 10,000 copies of my charity record when I flip town then Charle?

Feel like this is true. His posts sway me so. Loosey that is

So for now am not unvoting Loosey but instead I'm gonna vote even harder

VOTE LOOSEY LOOSE A'LOOSE


P.S. this is also to help rags make sure he has the voting right so Charle doesn't have to keep correcting him

[Devante]

Loose and Max are the two scum partners, I am happy to vote for any of them for various reasons I mentioned before.

Was trying to quote this guy but the other post worked out funnier so here we are

[Devante]

CC is bad when you're drinking and your phone got smashed

Heyyy Loosey, wrote you a song;

Faster than he posts
Terrifying Loose
Enraged and like a boasts
He's half man and half goose

Master of scum I'm pulling your strings
Twisting your ideas and smashing your dreams
Blinded by me, you can't see the rings
Just call my name, 'cause I'll hear you redeem
Master
Master
Just call my name, 'cause I'll hear you redeem
Master
Master

1 is the number of the Loose.

A villain gremlin nestled somewhere in time
A cruel smelly foot - no warnings, no signs
Judgment day and the an evil rat arrives
Eventually, they all commit crimes

The dreams went SMACK, there was no use turning back
'Cause I just had to see, was a Loose watching me?
In the mist the ideas twist
Was all this swell, or just some kind of hell?

1 is the number of the Loose.

Is it the end, my friend?
Master you're going 'round the bend
Half man and half goose
No, no, please, no
1 ... 1
It is Loose...

[Charle]

You are leading town to defeat Charle - I will present in full the case against Sonic in due course, I have to go to work now.

I don't think so Loose, was thinking a lot of what happened to make you change your mind.

I think our jailkeeper locked up EW for some reason. You as scum wanted to kill EW and failed, but you know that EW was jailed and he cannot be the jailkeeper. EW move down your lynch list, as you need to find the jailkeeper urgently. I will be very surprised if you flip town, seriously.

Loose, you don't have any comment on the above?

[SoN!c]

You are leading town to defeat Charle - I will present in full the case against Sonic in due course, I have to go to work now.

I don't think so Loose, was thinking a lot of what happened to make you change your mind.

I think our jailkeeper locked up EW for some reason. You as scum wanted to kill EW and failed, but you know that EW was jailed and he cannot be the jailkeeper. EW move down your lynch list, as you need to find the jailkeeper urgently. I will be very surprised if you flip town, seriously.

Loose, you don't have any comment on the above?

Exactly. This is the question that counts. Loose wrote a full page posting his "big 100% sure case" but if you read it, it's : "SoN!c is charged with naaddaa naadaa naaadaa"..like predicted..

He even had to admit it:

I'll admit that as I was writing it (on excel with the forum open) I had an increasingly sinking feeling that it was way less compelling than I thought it was going to be.

There must be a strategy behind all this gobbledygookgoose talk. Loose is flooding the forum with nonsense, "being half man half goose" like Dev says for 2 reasons i believe:
A: hoping to find the jailkeeper for his scumpartner (last chance today), as Loose himself has no way out anymore and he knows he is hanging in the ropes.
B: by flooding the thread with smoke and snowshows it would be very hard to find the second (smart) scum.

It would be a very good scum strategy: Using / Influencing town Max to have an extra scumvote in hand (in a no recruit you would have to be very sure you could wiggle votes and keep those influenced players alive till the end as you will be in need of their votes for very long) like Loose is doing with Max, but you could also use Max as a scapegoat when things turn sour on Loose himself..?

And why was Loose buttering up EW and Kong there but not the rest likewise? D3 EW is his big suspect, N3 no kill and D4 EW is gets all buttered up all day long? And Kong is voting for him but Loose is buttering him up likewise?

[Loose Canon]

Love your post dev. Great song, and no I won't claim any plagiarism from any of mine.

Charle I'm really not into speculating on what jailkeeper did in this game.

[Loose Canon]

I'll clarify on my last post re not speculating on jailkeeper.

These games are a mix of hard evidence and feel on players posts.
Hard evidence predominates increasingly in games where there are town power roles. In games like this feel on players posts predominate.
And at this point in the game my feel on sonic predominates so much I'm not interested in speculating on what jailkeeper did or will do or who it is.

It would have been different earlier in the game, and it might change later in the game, but right now not interested.

[Loose Canon]

I'll clarify on my last post re not speculating on jailkeeper.

These games are a mix of hard evidence and feel on players posts.
Hard evidence predominates increasingly in games where there are town power roles. In games like this feel on players posts predominate.
And at this point in the game my feel on sonic predominates so much I'm not interested in speculating on what jailkeeper did or will do or who it is.

It would have been different earlier in the game, and it might change later in the game, but right now not interested.

[Loose Canon]

Sonic I want to spice this up a bit, not asking anything of you except what your favourite charity is. (mine is RNIB)

Here's the deal:

If you flip mafia I'll donate £50 to RNIB
If you flip town I'll donate £50 to your favourite charity
If you flip mafia AND mafia wins I'll donate £50 to your favourite charity (as well as mine as above)

What is your favourite charity?

[kongming3]

A lot to go over here, and a lot going on for me outside the game so I apologize for my absence. I wasn't initially actually set on voting out Loose here, but with the way things have played out I'd like if we do so. The fact that Loose ended up on L-1 for an extended period of time without being lynched is interesting to me. It seems to imply, though not fully guarantee, that if Loose is town any scum who would want to hammer have already voted/are too cautious (I'd find it hard to believe that Max is scum for instance if Loose turns out town.) At least one of Dev/Sonic would be guaranteed scum to me at that point. If Loose turns out to be scum, we've voted out scum and it also raises the question of why none of EW/Traf/Max wanted to hammer him. I'd be most suspicious of Max instead here since he's the most likely to just hammer first ask questions later as town.

Don't have to lynch right away, but it is now decisively my firm preference that we lock in a lynch on Loose before day's end.

[Loose Canon]

That's a fair enough and good analysis Kong.

Thing is you have to map out your plan to town victory.
And you have to assume mafia will get a successful hit away.
So you have to be confident I'm more mafia than sonic or that town can get all 5 of current town together tomorrow to perm 4 of the 5.
If I'm mafia you can be confident of a town win.

Same argument to you would apply if sonic were to be mislynched.

My conundrum is slightly different - how to get a lynch on sonic today, and only if it were to be a mislynch would I face your conundrum.
As you know I'm saying at least im very vanilla town confident sonic is mafia

[Loose Canon]

A mafia sonic and his mafia partner have a conundrum too.

Ideally they want an alternative townie to be lynched, because keep me in the game till tomorrow, and if town hasn't lynched sonic today there's a fair chance they won't tomorrow.

Sonic unvoting me (temporarily) is the temptation to go for the ideal either consciously or subconsciously - assuming he's mafia and I do.
Mafia partner may or may not be considering this ideal too.
That may be the reason I've not been lynched Kong.

Sonic and partner should lynch me, though, and not go for the ideal.
There's also the temptation to get the lynch on mewith minimum mafia votes.
Partner of a mafia sonic is also worrying about how mafia sonic looks to them.

If sonic isn't mafia , other 2 mafia will lynch me gladly.