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Re: SteamWorks [20 Jul 2011] V20 pg.1&20 - gameplay ready?

Postby DiM on Wed Jul 20, 2011 7:05 pm

gimil wrote:
I beleive Surry needs to change to Surrey...I could be wrong, but...


That is correct.


no it's not. i initially had the name SurrEy, until people complained about using 21st century names and counties so i used a map from 1824 (thanks to cairns) and on that map the correct spelling is Surry :mrgreen:

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Re: SteamWorks [20 Jul 2011] V20 pg.1&20 - gameplay ready?

Postby DiM on Wed Jul 20, 2011 7:07 pm

cairnswk wrote:
gimil wrote:...
We have gone shire crazy here! ...

Yes I have started something here which was initially a spelling pickup...but for consistency shouldn't these names represent the relevant region being displayed. Just my thoughts. :)
I checked these here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_co ... of_England
but there are also abbreviations that could be used on this page for space reasons.


i will do another check of the names found on that 1824 map and make all necessary corrections. that actually means adding a bunch of "Shire" or "Sh."
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Re: SteamWorks [20 Jul 2011] V20 pg.1&20 - gameplay ready?

Postby DiM on Wed Jul 20, 2011 7:09 pm

Coleman wrote:Whoa you guys are fast. Thanks for the rewording, doubt anyone capable of playing normal risk could get confused now.


thank you for pointing the issue. the last thing i want is confusion. i get too much of that with all my other maps.

if this map will still be considered hard and confusing after it is quenched i promise the next map will be a purely geographical straight forward classic gameplay type map :mrgreen:


*i have my fingers crossed so the promise doesn't count : )
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Re: SteamWorks [20 Jul 2011] V20 pg.1&20 - gameplay ready?

Postby DiM on Wed Jul 20, 2011 7:21 pm

here it is. it has all the "shire" and "sh." on that 1824 map. to be honest i'm a bit bothered by this, not just because it makes some regions cluttered but also because it hurts my ears to hear shire for almost all terits :)
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Re: SteamWorks [20 Jul 2011] V20 pg.1&20 - gameplay ready?

Postby cairnswk on Wed Jul 20, 2011 7:40 pm

^^^ DiM, i did say to leave it up to you. I was simply trying to get things correct, perhaps too correct.
As for Surry/Surrey, perhaps even mapmakers made mistakes in those days...i've since found this one from earlier in 1648 that uses Surrey. http://www.antiquemaps.com/uk/mzoom/28930.htm
I also understand your concern about hearing "shire" all over the place. :)
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Re: SteamWorks [20 Jul 2011] V20 pg.1&20 - gameplay ready?

Postby Victor Sullivan on Wed Jul 20, 2011 11:58 pm

I dunnoshire, I think it's fineshire.

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Re: SteamWorks [20 Jul 2011] V20 pg.1&20 - gameplay ready?

Postby DiM on Thu Jul 21, 2011 5:42 am

Victor Sullivan wrote:I dunnoshire, I think it's fineshire.

-Sully


goodshire to hearshire :lol:
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Re: SteamWorks [20 Jul 2011] V20 pg.1&20 - gameplay ready?

Postby zimmah on Thu Jul 21, 2011 7:29 am

DiM wrote:here it is. it has all the "shire" and "sh." on that 1824 map. to be honest i'm a bit bothered by this, not just because it makes some regions cluttered but also because it hurts my ears to hear shire for almost all terits :)
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since the map is overshired (overhauled) a lot i thinkshire i will basiclyshire almost have to shire the new XML from scratchshire when the map is nearing completionshire (but that shouldn't take longshire).

just one questionshire. Do i name the territoriesshires with Sh. Shire in the XML or do i also shire them Sh. in the XML?

or (not my favorite option) do i name them like this: "Dorset Shire (Dorset Sh.)"

i personallyshire thinkshire the "Shire" is the mostshire fancyshire optionshire. howevershire, it's your mapshire, so i'll makeshire the XMLshire exactlyshires like you shire it.

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Re: SteamWorks [20 Jul 2011] V20 pg.1&20 - gameplay ready?

Postby TaCktiX on Thu Jul 21, 2011 8:33 am

I think the extra Shire's are total overkill. Nix 'em if they're making you uncomfy.

As for your other edits, I'm going to pass this one onto the graphics end, with the explicit note that if things end up same-samey in Beta, we'll be back to the chopping block on fixing the map up.
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Re: SteamWorks [20 Jul 2011] V20 pg.1&20 - gameplay ready?

Postby Victor Sullivan on Thu Jul 21, 2011 8:38 am

Back to the drawing board, you mean? :-k

At any rate, congrats!!

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Re: SteamWorks [20 Jul 2011] V20 pg.1&20 - gameplay ready?

Postby DiM on Thu Jul 21, 2011 8:44 am

zimmah wrote:since the map is overshired (overhauled) a lot i thinkshire i will basiclyshire almost have to shire the new XML from scratchshire when the map is nearing completionshire (but that shouldn't take longshire).

just one questionshire. Do i name the territoriesshires with Sh. Shire in the XML or do i also shire them Sh. in the XML?

or (not my favorite option) do i name them like this: "Dorset Shire (Dorset Sh.)"

i personallyshire thinkshire the "Shire" is the mostshire fancyshire optionshire. howevershire, it's your mapshire, so i'll makeshire the XMLshire exactlyshires like you shire it.

//edited to post to be more in line with the topic.


as tacktix said the extra shires are overkill. i'm thinking i should probably keep them where space is plenty but scratch them where things are tight.
it's best if you wait with the xml until all the nitpicking is done.
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Re: SteamWorks [20 Jul 2011] V20 pg.1&20 - gameplay ready?

Postby DiM on Thu Jul 21, 2011 8:47 am

TaCktiX wrote:Image


thanks for the badge :)

TaCktiX wrote: if things end up same-samey in Beta, we'll be back to the chopping block on fixing the map up.


well, hopefully the beta won't bring up any issues at all :)
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Re: SteamWorks [20 Jul 2011] V20 pg.1&20 - gameplay ready?

Postby DiM on Thu Jul 21, 2011 8:49 am

Victor Sullivan wrote:Back to the drawing board, you mean? :-k


if the beta brings up major flaws it will indeed be time to get back to the drawing board. but i hope that won't be the case.

Victor Sullivan wrote:At any rate, congrats!!

-Sully


thanks :)
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Re: SteamWorks [20 Jul 2011] V20 pg.1&20-graphic nitpicking

Postby cairnswk on Thu Jul 21, 2011 11:32 am

Congrats on the stamp. :)
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Re: SteamWorks [20 Jul 2011] V20 pg.1&20-graphic nitpicking

Postby natty dread on Thu Jul 21, 2011 12:02 pm

Well, the graphics are pretty awesome on this already... there aren't many nits to pick!

Anyway... I'd consider making the territory font slightly larger. It's a bit hard to read at some places.
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Re: SteamWorks [20 Jul 2011] V20 pg.1&20-graphic nitpicking

Postby DiM on Thu Jul 21, 2011 3:03 pm

cairnswk wrote:Congrats on the stamp. :)


thank you cairns
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Re: SteamWorks [20 Jul 2011] V20 pg.1&20-graphic nitpicking

Postby zimmah on Thu Jul 21, 2011 3:05 pm

natty_dread wrote:Well, the graphics are pretty awesome on this already... there aren't many nits to pick!

Anyway... I'd consider making the territory font slightly larger. It's a bit hard to read at some places.


even if there aren't any nits to pick, there's always picks to nit on something.

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Re: SteamWorks [20 Jul 2011] V20 pg.1&20-graphic nitpicking

Postby DiM on Thu Jul 21, 2011 3:07 pm

zimmah wrote:grats on the stamp :)


thanks a lot.

natty_dread wrote:Well, the graphics are pretty awesome on this already... there aren't many nits to pick!

Anyway... I'd consider making the territory font slightly larger. It's a bit hard to read at some places.


thanks for the kind words natty.
and here's V21 with a slightly larger font plus a small version.

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Re: SteamWorks [21 Jul 2011] V21 pg.1&22-graphic nitpicking

Postby natty dread on Thu Jul 21, 2011 3:13 pm

Hm... the large is ok now, but maybe you should consider another font for the territories on the small map...
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Re: SteamWorks [21 Jul 2011] V21 pg.1&22-graphic nitpicking

Postby DiM on Thu Jul 21, 2011 3:18 pm

natty_dread wrote:Hm... the large is ok now, but maybe you should consider another font for the territories on the small map...


i could make it larger for the small map if people struggle to see. but changing the font is not something i want to do. i like consistency.
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Re: SteamWorks [21 Jul 2011] V21 pg.1&22-graphic nitpicking

Postby natty dread on Thu Jul 21, 2011 3:20 pm

Well, maybe it's just me, but that font looks really blurry in small size...
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Re: SteamWorks [21 Jul 2011] V21 pg.1&22-graphic nitpicking

Postby DiM on Thu Jul 21, 2011 4:05 pm

natty_dread wrote:Well, maybe it's just me, but that font looks really blurry in small size...



it's definitely not blurry. maybe hard to see but surely not blurry.

here's another small version with bigger terit names.
now the size is 12 and it should be perfectly visible considering that the large map has size 12.5 :)

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Re: SteamWorks [21 Jul 2011] V21 pg.1&22-graphic nitpicking

Postby gimil on Thu Jul 21, 2011 4:14 pm

The text still looks funny on the small. I think it is the outerglow, seems like it has become pixelated with the resize. Could do with being redone.
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Re: SteamWorks [21 Jul 2011] V21 pg.1&22-graphic nitpicking

Postby DiM on Thu Jul 21, 2011 7:59 pm

gimil wrote:The text still looks funny on the small. I think it is the outerglow, seems like it has become pixelated with the resize. Could do with being redone.



the outerglow is an effect applied to the text. it can't become pixelated unless the text is pixelated. and the text isn't pixelated because it's at a text layer not a rasterized image that's being resized so it scales perfectly.
the only difference between the large and the small is that on the large i have size 12.5 and outerglow of 3px and on the small i have size 12 and outerglow of 2px.

anyway, here's a small map with the text that has the exact size and settings as it has in the large. 12.5px size and 3px outerglow. now it's identical.

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Re: SteamWorks [21 Jul 2011] V21 pg.1&22-graphic nitpicking

Postby Coleman on Thu Jul 21, 2011 8:11 pm

I prefer the new version slightly but don't think it is bad on the old version.

More importantly it doesn't hurt anything on the new version so if it is bothering other people, should probably just go with it.
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