[CC12] R3: FALL (17) vs S&M (29) - S&M Wins - Final 12/8/22

[josko.ri]

Interestingly, GoranZ just "emergency" sat for osman76 in 1982 Game 21957636 at 12.49 CCT yet there is Macedonia flag on osman76's account until 12.53 CCT (still there in this moment). No other turn was sat besides this one. I wonder, which business would GoranZ do logged on osman76's account for 4 minutes longer than ending time of the turn that he sat? Maybe looking into osman76's games that he is not in and suggesting strategy for these games?

Additionally, osman76 played 3 turns by himself ( Game 21961123 Game 21932505 Game 21932504) just 4 hours before GoranZ sat for him in 1982 and there is no sitter notification in these games so I can confidentially assume they were played by osman76 yet osman76 left the 1982 game to be sat by GoranZ who stayed online 4 minutes longer obviosuly looking and commenting on the 1982 and ther osman76's foggy games that he is not originally playing. Addtionally, this is not the only game that osman76 left to GoranZ to play, another one is under an hour, yet to be sat Game 21954231.

So GoranZ, you are clearly taking unfair advantage here by abusing the account sitting system. Game 21932504 started at 1st of September and osman76 have already played 17 turns there without any sitter notification. Therefore, he seems to be pretty available recently. Why was then he selectively playing other 1v1 and team games today yet he left 1 or 2 clan war games to be sat by you, who unfairly got access tohis account, chance to look and comment about strategy at his games, which you ibviously used by staying logged in his account 4 minutes longer than when you ended the turn that you sat.

[iAmCaffeine]

you would know all about abusing account sitting to be fair josko, can't fault you on that

[xroads]

Holy f*ck, this rubber band is about to snap

[Donelladan]

How do you think the flag is decided ?
Once the flag is macedonian, the flag should not revert instantly when GoranZ logs out, but it should rather revert when someone else logs in.

Rest of your post is just so crazy. Sure enough if you sit for someone, you should left a comment in the chat after you finished playing to explain what you did.
That's logical, smart, and polite. Thus, even if GoranZ stayed 4 minutes longer in osman account to type in a message in the chat, it is ok. There is no rule forbidding the sitter to leave a note for the team in the chat.

And there is an obvious reason for playing 1vs1 game first, and not team game. You know it just as any other clan player with a tiny bit of experience.
The only case where you should play, is if you know for sure you won't make it back in time. But every good clan player should wait for his teammate input and therefore wait longer to play team game than 1vs1 game. And sometimes that can make you miss a turn because you thought you'd have the time but you didn't.

FYI, GoranZ has an amazing total of 2 game played on 1982. I think you should be pretty happy he sat for osman. But even if he had a 1000 games played with an 90% win ratio, what I said above is still legit reason for sitting.

Maybe calm down a bit on the cheating/abuse accusation.

[Shannon Apple]

Josko and GoranZ, you are like the pot and the kettle.

Maybe Osman was at work and only had time to take some of his turns. Then with less than two hours on the clock, the other guy logged in to take them. Osman, thinking he is low on time, intends to take those remaining turns and logs in 4 minutes after his turn has been taken by GoranZ. That would account for the flag changing back to Osman's.

This has happened to me. I have been low on time in games in the past. I run to take my turn with low time, and it has already been emergency sat for being under 2 hours. I just thank the clan mate for catching it and move on. This does not happen often for me, but there might be that day where you get held up. No one has done anything wrong because I COULD have missed that turn. We all have lives that take precedence over CC.

Let's not have this war turn into a big drama where everyone starts thinking that our two clans are full of assholes who are trying to 1-UP each other off the board. Come on guys, you can do better than this.

[IcePack]

Live look behind the screen at Shannon Apple right now

[Shannon Apple]

[i-andrei]

Maybe move here https://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=438&t=236930

[xroads]

OK'

He sat for him in Spanish Armada too.

How many total seconds was the flag switched, both before he started the turn, and after he ended the turn.

Inquiring minds want to know

[BIG_John]

I guess I will start checking all the games and start calling out the games that Josko takes someone's turn on their side. Seems fair to me!

[GoranZ]

Interestingly, GoranZ just "emergency" sat for osman76 in 1982 Game 21957636 at 12.49 CCT yet there is Macedonia flag on osman76's account until 12.53 CCT (still there in this moment). No other turn was sat besides this one. I wonder, which business would GoranZ do logged on osman76's account for 4 minutes longer than ending time of the turn that he sat? Maybe looking into osman76's games that he is not in and suggesting strategy for these games?

Additionally, osman76 played 3 turns by himself ( Game 21961123 Game 21932505 Game 21932504) just 4 hours before GoranZ sat for him in 1982 and there is no sitter notification in these games so I can confidentially assume they were played by osman76 yet osman76 left the 1982 game to be sat by GoranZ who stayed online 4 minutes longer obviosuly looking and commenting on the 1982 and ther osman76's foggy games that he is not originally playing. Addtionally, this is not the only game that osman76 left to GoranZ to play, another one is under an hour, yet to be sat Game 21954231.

So GoranZ, you are clearly taking unfair advantage here by abusing the account sitting system. Game 21932504 started at 1st of September and osman76 have already played 17 turns there without any sitter notification. Therefore, he seems to be pretty available recently. Why was then he selectively playing other 1v1 and team games today yet he left 1 or 2 clan war games to be sat by you, who unfairly got access tohis account, chance to look and comment about strategy at his games, which you ibviously used by staying logged in his account 4 minutes longer than when you ended the turn that you sat.

Seems there is mad person on this site claiming that I have broken some rules yet he is not reporting them in the appropriate C&A section of the site.
All that from account that has been previously banned!(if I'm not mistaken)

[josko.ri]

I guess I will start checking all the games and start calling out the games that Josko takes someone's turn on their side. Seems fair to me!

1 turn sat so far for player who was absent the whole weekend so I sat all his turns, not only from this clan war. From this clan war, 1 his turn came out and that one was very simple turn (with me already being player of his team) on das schloss map, which is drop, take card vs access point and fort. Had I wrote instructions for this simple move in chat, or had I sat the turn, effectively there is no any difference.

GoranZ, besides these two games for osman76, also sat for nokleberry in opening turns of Classic and Stalingrad. And Yes, Donelladan, you hit it right to the point! GoranZ should stay on the account he sat for to "explain" what, why and how did he play his turn that way, in other words to effectively lead or establish (im case when he sat in round 1) the strategy to his team. Not need to explicitly mention, but nokelberry played turns in other games earlier that day, clearly showing that he is not absent but that he intentionally left turns to be sat by GoranZ.

Here we are talking about 4 turns sat only by GoranZ for players who played other turns earlier that day (in case of osman76 just 4 hours before GoranZ sat) while progress of the war is that some of games are still in Round 1. There were also several other turns sat by mc05025 but for them I didnt check if the original player has played other turns earlier that day.

I think my comment about flag was misinterpreted. I saw Macedonian flag at 13.20 CCT but indicated time of last login was at 12.53 CCT, therefore without any doubt that was GoranZ logging out from osman76's account at 12.53.

The only case where you should play, is if you know for sure you won't make it back in time. But every good clan player should wait for his teammate input and therefore wait longer to play team game than 1vs1 game.

Do you think that osman76 didnot know that he wont be back for the next 4 to 5 hours when he played his 1v1 games? Do you think that his partmer havent already left comments in chat in first 20 hours of the turn (during that period he played turns in other games), but he waited for, say, 22 or 23 hours to leave the comments?

@ Shannon, sitting in last two hours is called "emergency" sitting for a reason, which is that the turn came to expiration time due to some emergency situation happened to the original player, as you have correctly explained in your post. Hoevewer, in case of GoranZ sitting, "emergency" sitting occurred 4 times already while most of games are still in Round 1. That doesnt really sound as emergency or unavoidable sittings but rather as intentionally abusing the account sitting tool.

[GoranZ]

I guess I will start checking all the games and start calling out the games that Josko takes someone's turn on their side. Seems fair to me!

1 turn sat so far for player who was absent the whole weekend so I sat all his turns, not only from this clan war. From this clan war, 1 his turn came out and that one was very simple turn (with me already being player of his team) on das schloss map, which is drop, take card vs access point and fort. Had I wrote instructions for this simple move in chat, or had I sat the turn, effectively there is no any difference.

GoranZ, besides these two games for osman76, also sat for nokleberry in opening turns of Classic and Stalingrad. And Yes, Donelladan, you hit it right to the point! GoranZ should stay on the account he sat for to "explain" what, why and how did he play his turn that way, in other words to effectively lead or establish (im case when he sat in round 1) the strategy to his team. Not need to explicitly mention, but nokelberry played turns in other games earlier that day, clearly showing that he is not absent but that he intentionally left turns to be sat by GoranZ.

Here we are talking about 4 turns sat only by GoranZ for players who played other turns earlier that day (in case of osman76 just 4 hours before GoranZ sat) while progress of the war is that some of games are still in Round 1. There were also several other turns sat by mc05025 but for them I didnt check if the original player has played other turns earlier that day.

I think my comment about flag was misinterpreted. I saw Macedonian flag at 13.20 CCT but indicated time of last login was at 12.53 CCT, therefore without any doubt that was GoranZ logging out from osman76's account at 12.53.

The only case where you should play, is if you know for sure you won't make it back in time. But every good clan player should wait for his teammate input and therefore wait longer to play team game than 1vs1 game.

Do you think that osman76 didnot know that he wont be back for the next 4 to 5 hours when he played his 1v1 games? Do you think that his partmer havent already left comments in chat in first 20 hours of the turn (during that period he played turns in other games), but he waited for, say, 22 or 23 hours to leave the comments?

@ Shannon, sitting in last two hours is called "emergency" sitting for a reason, which is that the turn came to expiration time due to some emergency situation happened to the original player, as you have correctly explained in your post. Hoevewer, in case of GoranZ sitting, "emergency" sitting occurred 4 times already while most of games are still in Round 1. That doesnt really sound as emergency or unavoidable sittings but rather as intentionally abusing the account sitting tool.

Here is the mad person again, that claims I have broken some rules without writing in the C&A part of the forum. And accusations are coming from account that was banned previously(if I'm not mistaken).

Maybe it's time for you to grow up and to stop whining!

And I certainly don't have to explain anything to a mad person

[xroads]

So answer me this oh wise one

In your 21 war games. How often does other players get to make a suggestions, or is it just "Drop here, attack here, and fort here, don't argue"

In my past experience playing with you, no one was allowed their own opinions, instead, you do what you say without argument.

[iAmCaffeine]

josko is an expert on account sitting abuse i'm sure he knows what he's talking about

[josko.ri]

So answer me this oh wise one

In your 21 war games. How often does other players get to make a suggestions, or is it just "Drop here, attack here, and fort here, don't argue"

In my past experience playing with you, no one was allowed their own opinions, instead, you do what you say without argument.

Maybe because your suggestion was total crap of strategy, which was not even worthy to discuss.

You may ask maroshka851, ballenus, All Black Rugby (to name a few) and many others do I listen their opinion, do I sometimes initialize discussion about strategy from my side (instead of just telling do this do that). You may see that Shannon Apple is playing (with a very good success) Hive unlimited poly-4 in our Tribe Wars, not me, therefore she is surely not just a bystander on that map. With all of them and many others I had extensive strategy discussions in games that we play. I specifically mentioned these 3 names because they have more experience than me in Philadelphias, C Rome and Alaska where I teamed up with them.

[josko.ri]

Here is the mad person again, that claims I have broken some rules without writing in the C&A part of the forum.

Look at this top hypocrite of CC.

Calling me out for doing exactly what he just did yesterday, claiming that I broke some rules with exchange games deadlines without writing in the C&A part of the forum, or even worse, after writing official complaint to TO who replied to your complaint that S&M did not break the rules but you misinterpreted the rules.

To be it even worse and paradoxical, GoranZ indeed wrote official complaint to the TO JPlo64, who responded that S&M is not at fault here and that home games can be filled with the same deadline as away games. Still, this official ruling by official person in favor of S&M was not enough for GoranZ, but he dared to come out with the same accusations publicly even after his accusations were officially overruled with explanation that S&M did not break any rule.

[xroads]

So answer me this oh wise one

In your 21 war games. How often does other players get to make a suggestions, or is it just "Drop here, attack here, and fort here, don't argue"

In my past experience playing with you, no one was allowed their own opinions, instead, you do what you say without argument.

Maybe because your suggestion was total crap of strategy, which was not even worthy to discuss.

You may ask maroshka851, ballenus, All Black Rugby (to name a few) and many others do I listen their opinion, do I sometimes initialize discussion about strategy from my side (instead of just telling do this do that). With all of them and many others I had extensive strategy discussions in games that we play. I specifically mentioned these 3 names because they have more experience than me in Philadelphias, C Rome and Alaska where I teamed up with them.

And yet I am 26-31 head to head against the #2 rated player on CC.

I guess my strategies weren't always total crap if it was that close.

Or are you going to blame the dice

Or blame the dice

Or blame?

[josko.ri]

So answer me this oh wise one

In your 21 war games. How often does other players get to make a suggestions, or is it just "Drop here, attack here, and fort here, don't argue"

In my past experience playing with you, no one was allowed their own opinions, instead, you do what you say without argument.

Maybe because your suggestion was total crap of strategy, which was not even worthy to discuss.

You may ask maroshka851, ballenus, All Black Rugby (to name a few) and many others do I listen their opinion, do I sometimes initialize discussion about strategy from my side (instead of just telling do this do that). With all of them and many others I had extensive strategy discussions in games that we play. I specifically mentioned these 3 names because they have more experience than me in Philadelphias, C Rome and Alaska where I teamed up with them.

And yet I am 26-31 head to head against the #2 rated player on CC.

I guess my strategies weren't always total crap if it was that close.

Or are you going to blame the dice

Or blame the dice

Or blame?

26-31 is losing score my friend. Are you bragging that you have losing score vs someone, so much of self confidence you have?

How much is your head to head vs conqueror? 1-17 if I remember correctly, every time playing on some of your the best maps.

[xroads]

Well, because he is the conqueror and much much better than you. No wonder I am 1-17 against him.

Is it wrong to not be upset at being 26-31 against a much inferior #2 26-31

[rockfist]

This looks like S&M is leading by a decent margin but its not decided. Is that accurate?

[fishydance]

Terms of War

Contacts:

FALL
Goranz
mc05025

S&M
Josko.ri
fishydance


Layout:
Best of 55, 2 Sets + Tie Breaker

Each clan sends 9 Quadruples, 9 triples, 9 doubles
Tie Breaker: Triples on Classic, sunny, chained, no spoils

Rules:
Only game types allowed are "Teams" (Polymorphic is not considered a team game)
All games must have automatic initial troop deploy (no manual)
All games must be sequential (no freestyle)
All games must have 24 hour round length (no speed)
All spoils are allowed including zombie spoils
All forts are allowed including "no forts"
There will be 30 round limit on all triples and quad trench games and a 50 round limit on doubles trench games
Each map can only be used twice per clan per clan war but can only be used once per game type (dubs/trips/quads)
Beta maps are not allowed
Each clan will pick the map and settings for exactly half of the games
Games will be exchanged in 2 sets
12 Hour Fog Rule will be in effect (Gentleman's/Women's fog rule in effect, no penalty if broken)
New settings that are implemented after the start of the Cup will be excluded from wars
Tiebreaker not included in maximum game count

Schedule:
Set1:
All games exchanged by Sunday September 4, 23.59 CCT
All invites sent by Sunday September 11, 23.59 CCT
4 dubs
5 trips
5 quads

Set2:
All games exchanged by Sunday September 11, 23.59 CCT
All invites sent by Saturday September 17, 23.59 CCT, so that all the games be filled by Sunday September 18 deadline
5 dubs
4 trips
4 quads
Tie-breaker


Link to War Page

Set 1: September 4

Set 2: September 11

Tie-Breaker:

[Extreme Ways]

This looks like S&M is leading by a decent margin but its not decided. Is that accurate?

I applaud this attempt to re-rail the thread and I am too wondering.

[i-andrei]

This looks like S&M is leading by a decent margin but its not decided. Is that accurate?

I applaud this attempt to re-rail the thread and I am too wondering.

Obviously josko took advantage of seeing the players in each game.

[josko.ri]

This looks like S&M is leading by a decent margin but its not decided. Is that accurate?

I applaud this attempt to re-rail the thread and I am too wondering.

Obviously josko took advantage of seeing the players in each game.

Yeah, when I saw Kaskavel playing, I immediately jumped into these games because Kaskavel is well known as an easy target, especially on the Hive map.
If Kaskavel was not joining these games then I would definitely send different set of players who can defeat almighty Robesspierre