Simpsons Mafia (8 of 13) Endgame, Town Win!

[dazza2008]

Vote Count

pershy(4) - ShaggyDan, LSU Tiger Josh, thechuck51, Djfireside
ShaggyDan(4) - pershy, pmchugh, pancakemix, safariguy5

With 10 alive it takes 6 to lynch.

[pershy]

@pershy: In response to your response: a lot of your statements are only true if you can be trusted. You say you are groundskeeper willie. You say you investigated me. You say you are cult. You say you can't recruit any more and there are no others. All of these statements can't be trusted. If you could recruit you would definitely lie and say you couldn't. If you weren't cult you could use this as an obscure defence, giving you more bearing than just discounting a cop.

Nah - there's no way I would have claimed cult if it wasn't hopeless for me. I started town and it was unlucky I got converted. The recruiter got killed remember?
And I'm not discounting the cop - but cops can be naive or paranoid and I don't think JOATs can be. I did mention you could have been framed etc. Anyway our cop is probably sane and as I said I think my result was most probably true. As I said before Willie is quite a central character and would be a risky fake claim.

[pershy]

I misread the whole thing and while I am having trouble believing Shaggy I need to think about this because well a lover dying makes me unhappy since we would also lose another. I tend to not believe their claim but based on how the scenes have read there are a few things going through my head.
1 would be scum remember. That would give town a lot of information even if it's not Shaggy (it is tho I think - he's probably lying)

I believe there to be a Town Vig so we have extra firepower for what we decide as long as they pay attention and dont randomly choose.
Why? We only had 1 N kill at a time. The BK kill was probably the busdriver swapping him and the target or a Nexus or something

Either way pershy should be targetted off and if they are telling the truth and do come up Willy as a JOAT then there is a good chance Shaggy is guilty and not just being outted as another route away from Pershy.
Yes, but you will lose my other investigations. Aren't you gonna give me a chance to prove myself? You just wanna lynch to find out and lose those powers? If I successfully watch, track or gun investigate someone this could be helpful for town, even if I'm not town anymore

As for Homer, either they are not coming forward for not being outted or maybe they cant confirm that shaggy is a lover or not because they werent told?!? If pershy held on to his powers after a recruit then the setup is a bit off the norm.
It's probably a fake claim anyway.

So I VOTE Pershy and based on their result FOS Shaggy for the alternative death

Be careful - I know I'm an obvious target for a lynch, but once I'm dead it will be revealed that I was telling the truth at least. The people voting me and protecting Shaggy are gonna come under the microscope. There's scum on that list.

[pershy]

For the record if I don't get to post again I believe safari guy. If he's scum he's playing an amazing game and taking an amazing risk (although he came out with his claim early on D2 - and I was surprised he investigated me because I "complemented him". Anyway I trust him and pmchugh and that's pretty much all. Pmchugh went hard against 77 and BK.

After Shaggy the ones I suspect most to be scum would be DJ and LSU.

[Djfireside]

Im not protecting shaggy by any stance as I dont believe them cause there is contradicting evidence. Im taking the chance that you may not be who you say you are. Granted I tend to believe you and think you will turn willy but hopefully may get the glimpse as to whether your roles were stripped or not. At this point, while I have a REALLY hard time believing shaggy, I dont want to suicide either.

[LSU Tiger Josh]

When a mod tells me that as a hider that I would now die if I hid in a cult member's house, I'm going to vote them because they are anti-town. I don't care if they were at one point townies, but once they make the switch to me that is the time to get rid of them. Lynching a confirmed cult member would indeed tell us that willy was a jack of all trades member or just a regular cult member. I would rather not run the risk of the cult possibly expanding even with the leader "dead" as I've been in games past where that happened. I am pretty confident that you are indeed willy like you claim, but I have my doubts on the jack of all trades keeping their ability after being culted. To me you are the safe lynch and we can use the information that we find from your lynch to decide what to do next in regards to the "Marge" claim. I would prefer not to kill off two possible townies at once based off of a cult member's "say-so" and would much rather the cop investigate them himself to determine the course of action.

[safariguy5]

There are a couple of things odd about both pershy and Shaggy.

On Shaggy's side, I understand that you are claiming lover, but it seems most likely that you should know who your lover is. I have yet to see a lover who doesn't know who their other lover is and cannot PM them at night.

On pershy's side, I'm a bit surprised that he didn't use his investigate on Night 1. Investigations and protections should be done every night. They can only help and cannot hurt. If you managed to come up with scum, you could definitely out him the next day or neutralize him with a roleblock the next night and then out him after that.

Regardless, between a claim that doesn't make sense and gameplay that I believe is suboptimal, the dodgy claim is scummier to me.

[pmchugh]

Personally I think it is pretty clear that both are scum of some sort. The only problem would be if pershy flips mafia, because he may have WIFOMd he shit out of us over shaggy. I'd rather avoid this situation if possible, but if you guys really want pershy first then that is cool with me.

[ShaggyDan]

@Saf: I've seen lovers come in all different variations before, I imagine us not being able to talk is a balancing tool like my BP. Plus if you said my role doesn't make sense (which I can't see how) then why don't you find it odd that pershy still has his powers when it is the norm for them to be removed when converted?

Other than this I don't know if there's much else I can say... Pershy and myself going back and forth is just going to result in us making the same points. I guess if I had to make one point it would be; the reasoning behind lynching me is taken from a player who is a confirmed non-town allignment. From that statement alone I find it hard to take anything he says as truth or with town's best wishes at heart.

[thechuck51]

some7hingclever has posted since Jun 14th, can we get him replaced?

[pmchugh]

@Saf: I've seen lovers come in all different variations before, I imagine us not being able to talk is a balancing tool like my BP. Plus if you said my role doesn't make sense (which I can't see how) then why don't you find it odd that pershy still has his powers when it is the norm for them to be removed when converted?

Other than this I don't know if there's much else I can say... Pershy and myself going back and forth is just going to result in us making the same points. I guess if I had to make one point it would be; the reasoning behind lynching me is taken from a player who is a confirmed non-town allignment. From that statement alone I find it hard to take anything he says as truth or with town's best wishes at heart.

unvote vote pershy- no point splitting the vote.

However, it seems unlikely that you and your lover belong to the same faction if you cannot talk and therefore killign you kills scum. That can wait for tomorrow though.

[safariguy5]

I suppose I can drop the hammer on pershy if there are no other real points to make. I guess that lynching pershy will either strengthen or weaken his claimed guilty on shaggy. Then we can proceed tomorrow accordingly.

unvote for now.

[pershy]

I suppose I can drop the hammer on pershy if there are no other real points to make. I guess that lynching pershy will either strengthen or weaken his claimed guilty on shaggy. Then we can proceed tomorrow accordingly.

unvote for now.

*sigh* I guess so. By killing me you'll see I'm telling the truth and that will give town info. Town would be in a much better position if we lynched Shaggy though. Do you really think I could be scum after everything I've said - claiming JOAT that got converted etc?

I don't understand these votes on me.

So be it. You will lose the 3 investigations I have left. I was kinda looking forward to using the next one tonight.

Also if you don't lynch me my investigations can be verified. Lynch Shaggy - I'll be proved right - I'm sure of it (even though he might have been framed).

As I say I really don't understand the votes on me apart from the scum ones.

[pershy]

When a mod tells me that as a hider that I would now die if I hid in a cult member's house, I'm going to vote them because they are anti-town. I don't care if they were at one point townies, but once they make the switch to me that is the time to get rid of them. Lynching a confirmed cult member would indeed tell us that willy was a jack of all trades member or just a regular cult member. I would rather not run the risk of the cult possibly expanding even with the leader "dead" as I've been in games past where that happened. I am pretty confident that you are indeed willy like you claim, but I have my doubts on the jack of all trades keeping their ability after being culted. To me you are the safe lynch and we can use the information that we find from your lynch to decide what to do next in regards to the "Marge" claim. I would prefer not to kill off two possible townies at once based off of a cult member's "say-so" and would much rather the cop investigate them himself to determine the course of action.

@LSU - if you are pretty sure I'm Willie why are you voting me? I understand your logic but all you have to do is not hide behind me any more.
Believe me if I could recruit I would have kept my mouth shut about being converted. It stands to reason.

For the record I take back what I said before. I got confused about LSU and suspected him, but I believe he is a town hider. Now I think he's just a misguided townie.

Why you guys would wanna lynch a JOAT over scum is beyond me. I am third party now yes - which sucks for me, but I am not scum. I have given you a scum with my investigation and have 3 more investigations. Lynch him - prove me right and let me get some more investigations in night kills permitting. Also if the mafia target me that keeps you guys safe on the night they target me. If you lynch me you lose that advantage too.

[TheForgivenOne]

Well, since this game has effectively stalled out (And since Saf said he was going to do it anyways) Vote: pershy. If you're telling the truth, we can get Shaggy tomorrow.

[pershy]

Well, since this game has effectively stalled out (And since Saf said he was going to do it anyways) Vote: pershy. If you're telling the truth, we can get Shaggy tomorrow.

I don't quite understand your voting logic but....um....ok

[pershy]

Oops..that's 6! I'm dead! aargh (that's tongue sticking out cause of noose lol)
Oh well - gg everybody and gl!

[LSU Tiger Josh]

gg pershy. now to wait for the scene.

[safariguy5]

vote pershy just be be sure.

[pershy]

[pmchugh]

He probably left the forum after it got relegated to division 3.

[thechuck51]

gg pershy. now to wait for the scene.

Yeah! We want a lynch scene!

[pershy]

I sent the mod a PM as soon as I realised I was lynched but I know he's busy at the moment. He'll probably get round to the scene today.
Just to save you the suspense though - you're all idiots

[TheForgivenOne]

you're all idiots

Not all of us are idiots! Well, I probably am, but that's beside the point!

[pershy]

mafia aren't