Mad Men Mafia - Day 2 (6/9) Town Wins!

[Campin_Killer]

Unvote: Campin
Vote: Neb

Look what happened folks. Yomiel bandwagons Neb as soon as someone else votes Neb. You are letting a lying troll get away with it and continue to troll our game. No matter what happens, I'm done if Yomiel isn't dead by Day 1 ending because I'm not dealing with the trolling

[Yomiel]

These two just get more and more suspicious...

[ShaggyDan]

I believe campin's claim, it would be ballsy (read: stupid) for mafia to fake claim a power role in day one.

Which means if he is the jailkeeper there is only one other possible power role out there. If it is someone other than Yomiel (who is soft claiming a power role) then they know that Yomiel is likely to be scum.

This person should NOT come forward if they exist, it's bad enough one role was outed day one as it is. I was just putting this forward to make sure some of our newbies knew what the situation was.

As for the case on Neb I am eager to hear a response from him before I cast a vote, but I do agree it is suspicious.

In the mean time I see no reason to change my vote. Yomiel still casting suspicion on an outed jailkeeper still seems scummy to me.

[Campin_Killer]

You continue to push for my lynch Yomiel when I have told you I am Jailkeeper. A very scummy thing to do.

[everywhere116]

You're kidding me...

Yomiel soft-claimed jailkeeper and we even had requests for a counter claim, which I gave. Yet instead of voting the lying scum, you vote Neb for whatever reason

If you can show me how Yomiel's statement logically proves that she was softclaiming jailkeeper, then I will vote her again. Until then, what I see here is the equivalent of a schoolyard rumor mill, everyone believing what someone says about the situation from a secondhand witness without bothering to verify the facts. She never said jailkeeper and she never said anything that would indicate that she was a jailkeeper.

[Nebuchadnezer]

This may be one of the quickest reversals of opinion I've ever had in a mafia game. Let us review the total clusterfu­ck that has happened in the last 10 hours.

Well, since I'm not officially dead, I'll remind you to vote Campin and Neb next turn. I could have taken care of them myself, but you killed me, so I can't use my power.

Now you claim jailkeeper? Seriously...make a case, quit crying about bullying, and actually post a counter argument to what campin or I have posted.

Who...what....where? How did Yomiel even hint at being a jailkeeper here? If anything, this would hint at being a vig, which we know isn't in the game. Not that Yomiel's post makes sense with any of the known power roles, but this isn't an jailkeeper softclaim.

Take a look at the possible setups. There is no role that could "take care" of any player, except the jailkeeper. How does the doc or cop "take care" of someone? Either she is jailkeeper, and would jail one of us, or she is mafia, and would certainly "take care" of us. Either way, this continues her confusing play of claiming a PR, but nothing else. Clearly, she feels cornered, and has no other option except to "claim" a PR.

that said, since it has been claimed, I think. Any counterclaim?

It wasn't claimed.

Everywhere, why are you fishing for a solid claim at this stage?
I believe knowing it is one of three possibilities was enough for today, as it would provide a WIFOM situation for the mafia tonight without revealing our hand.
that said, since it has been claimed, I think. Any counterclaim?

Yep,

I'm the Jailkeeper, not Yomiel.

My name is Pete Cambell

Yomiel never claimed jailkeeper, so I have absolutely no idea why you're doing this.

Well this worked out frickin' awesome. thank you Yomiel for NOT claiming. I should vote you just for effin' around so dam much instead of claiming. Althought, it's even more likely YOU are mafia now that you've drawn out another power role...ugh!

This is really what doesn't make sense. No, it is not Yomiel's fault that Campin claimed. If anything, it is YOUR fault for implanting the idea in people's heads that she did claim. And that's really what bothers me. Trying to blame her for something that was obviously your fault and disparaging her for it.

Really. My fault for all her derping about, which has left us nowhere, but to guess at what she is. Do you really think she is being an honest townie here? Townies have nothing to hide. Why is she hiding? What is she hiding? Her entire play has been suspect. Yes, I have to make my own guesses, because she refuses to provide any information. Yet, it's MY fault that she refuses to claim? Whatevs.

Unrelated question-answering:

Everywhere, why are you fishing for a solid claim at this stage?
I believe knowing it is one of three possibilities was enough for today, as it would provide a WIFOM situation for the mafia tonight without revealing our hand.

My opinion was that if she didn't actually claim then we have no idea whether or not she actually is a power role and not feigning a power role to avoid being lynched. If she claimed and was faking it, she risks being counterclaimed. If she says nothing other than hinting that she's power role, we can't disprove it, but she still gets off because she made us think that she's important. Kind of like claiming bomb. Not that it matters much to me anyway now.

I find it funny that if any other player on this forum played this way, they'd be lynched...and it would have happened about 2 weeks ago. Yet somehow, Yomiel has managed to avoid it. Look at her play. Look at her dodging a full claim. Look at her vote hopping to try and get a lynch wherever she can. Look at her one line posts of nothing. Look at her defense, for crying out loud. She's defending herself with her own meta? Seriously? "Well, I always play scummy, so I'm not scum." Look at how she begs individual players to vote for who she's voting for.

Vote how you like, but there seems to be a clear choice here. Sure, I had to draw my own conclusions...but what else could I do? I wish Campin didn't claim, Jailkeeper, but it's done with, now. I'm just not sure how Yomiel's selfish play is now or will ever help town. She's dug in, and won't budge. Meaning she's either in this for herself, or she's mafia giving her last gasp.

With all that said, I am at L-2.

I am Don Draper, VT.

FASTPOSTED by Everywhere...I hope my first paragraph shows how she soft-claimed jailkeeper.

[Yomiel]

I don't buy Campin's claim at all. Even more so, now that he is trying to say I'm Mafia for pushing a lynch on him...when I've already switched my vote to Neb.

My play? It is your own play that has been terrible. You twist the truth, doing things like skimming and claiming I only target people who attack me. It's shameful.

[everywhere116]

Take a look at the possible setups. There is no role that could "take care" of any player, except the jailkeeper. How does the doc or cop "take care" of someone? Either she is jailkeeper, and would jail one of us, or she is mafia, and would certainly "take care" of us. Either way, this continues her confusing play of claiming a PR, but nothing else. Clearly, she feels cornered, and has no other option except to "claim" a PR.

I still don't agree that that indicates her being a jailkeeper, nor do I agree that you should have stated that she did. Jailkeepers don't take care of people either. That said, everything else you have said is correct. You claiming that she claimed jailkeeper is the only reason I took my vote off her, nothing she has said to defend herself has done that, and likely never will. She is acting textbook scum. And while I was reading your post, I came to a different conclusion about her post, something that I had stated but didn't realize the full implications of: Her statement doesn't make sense with ANY of the roles in the game. Therefore, she hasn't decided yet which role she is going to claim, and (at least temporarily) didn't realize that her statement didn't make sense with any of them.

Unvote Vote Yomiel

[Yomiel]

Every, you switch your vote too easily. I did not and will not claim my role, and it is reckless to just believe Campin is the Jailkeeper. You don't think it's a little strange that Neb says I claimed it, then his buddy and my enemy Campin suddenly insists that is his role? And what makes you think my statement had anything to do with my role.

[everywhere116]

Well, since I'm not officially dead, I'll remind you to vote Campin and Neb next turn. I could have taken care of them myself, but you killed me, so I can't use my power.

[Campin_Killer]

Your enemy? I believe you need to drop your personal feelings

[Yomiel]

Your point? I already said I had a power.

[everywhere116]

Your point? I already said I had a power.

Ridiculous. Want me to spell it out for you?

Well, since I'm not officially dead, I'll remind you to vote Campin and Neb next turn. I could have taken care of them myself, but you killed me, so I can't use my power.

Here's the statement that we have been talking about for the last 2 pages where you say that you can take care of Neb and Campin youself

Here's were you mistakenly believe that I hammered you, and with the "but", indicating that I prevented you from carrying out the preceding statement

Here's where you say that, because I killed you, you can't use your power to take care of Campin and Neb.


Here comes the airplane!

[everywhere116]

I would like to add this to the end of the orange part: "And the "so" in the beginning indicates that it is continuing the thought from the previous statements."

[Yomiel]

I didn't mean literally taken care of them myself. No role can do that. I meant that had I survived, I could have beaten them and shown what they really are.

And by killing me, you would have prevented me from using my powers.

It's as simple as that. No need to be rude.-.- Those two have been suspicious for a while now, but you keep turning a blind eye to that. It's suspicious, and when one of them finally dies and turns out to be Mafia, you're probably going to be suspected too.

[Yomiel]

The game may very well hinge on Shaggy and Sam changing their votes to Neb. Otherwise, the Mafia gets a huge advantage in just one turn.@_@

[ShaggyDan]

But according to you I'm already scum...

I''m calling it right now. These two are the Mafia. Their posts make no sense, and they try to bully people into claiming.

Unvote: Shaggy
Vote: Campin

Plus in this set up we can afford two mislynches. The game definitely doesn't hinge on this day one lynch and personally I find it scummy you're amping up this lynch to be more important than it actually is.

My vote is definitely staying where it is. I would say you should claim but frankly I don't think it would change my mind as with one power role outed already I would urge any other power role to think very hard about the risks of outing in response to a claim from Yom.

Also the pushing of suspicion onto the claimed jailkeeper is still striking me as incredibly scummy. I definitely would be surprised for scum to claim a power role with little provocation on day one. They would have to hope that it is one of the set ups with just a cop or just a doc... Leaving a one in three chance that it would pay off at all.

Here's hoping we have a doc to be on the jailkeeper. And if the jailkeeper does indeed turn out to be scum then that is very poor play by the mafia that miraculously paid off.

[DiM]

i just have to say this is a total blast to watch from the outside. seeing yomiel get utterly confused in the nonsense is hilarious. then once you catch up to his lies and confront him all of a sudden you're accused of being mafia/instigator/rude/jerk/etc.

it's absolutely mind boggling why he has been kept in the game by the mod, but what's even more surprising is the fact that he hasn't been lynched yet. i mean he's changing his theories from one day to another, he's eager to lynch whoever he can, he's being obnoxious and a pathetic beggar.

from the outside it's fricking awesome. it has comedy, it has drama, it has suspense. it's the perfect recipe for a tv show.
hands down i'm starting to appreciate the entertainment value of somebody like yomiel. i guess trolls do have their roles.

[Yomiel]

What is wrong with the players of this game? Why are you so easily falling for their lies? Campin's claim obviously doesn't add up and is a little TOO convenient. When you add in their nonexistent case on me, it just makes them more suspicious. And your words just now showcase what makes me suspicious of you. I UNVOTED Campin for Neb, yet you both still claim I'm pushing for his lynch, which is not the first time we've caught you skimming, is it? And there is NO reason to believe Campin's claim.

If anything, you guys buying into his claim so easily is a serious folly. And if there is a Doctor, then you have the Doctor protecting a member of the Mafia, instead of one of the Townies? We can't afford this kind of mistake!


Dim, you are not in this game, and posting in it just to troll and harass is incredibly rude, to all of us and to the host. Kindly get lost.

[Yomiel]

The Town needs to wise up before it's too late. We don't have enough players or power roles to make reckless mistakes. Campin has been suspicious from Day 1, and he has been manipulating the Town effortlessly. Everyone buys into his every word without reason.

[ShaggyDan]

I wasn't skimming at all, yes you changed your vote but you were still doubting.the validity of campin's claim.

How does campin's claim not add up? If anything saying the claim is fake does not add up. I can't see mafia claiming a power role in an open set up as early as day one. Especially with jailkeeper, there are too many chances for it to go wrong on them. There already being a jailkeeper for starters. Also with the role of jailkeeper it is pretty easy to test their night actions if they happen to target another power role. Any other role would be easier to fake claim. He's not one hundred percent clear, but for day one I'm willing to buy it and re evaluate if things change down the track.

Occam's razor, the claim is believable. The suggestion that it isn't real is less believable.

With all that plus the fact that I think your case on him doesn't hold much weight leads me to believe your suggestion of it not being real is a last ditch effort to not get
lynched

Fastposted: we have two mislynches till we're at mylo. I'm not saying I want to make a mistake but a day one mislynch is hardly the end of the game. You're going to have to put forward something better than "If you lynch me we lose." for me to change my.vote.

[Yomiel]

There is no reason to blindly believe his claim, especially given that he makes it right after Neb says I claimed that same role. The timing and it being Campin of all people are more than enough to be suspicious. Also, I was very close to being lynched, so him claiming to have one of the few power roles was just incredibly reckless. If he were Town, he'd be practically handing himself over to the Mafia. It's also pretty much impossible to prove the claim other than killing him.

And for the millionth time, it is HIS case that holds no weight. He has nothing at all on me, yet everyone is just voting me blindly, and it's going to backfire horribly. Open your eyes, people! If you let this happen, you're only going to have yourselves to blame, no matter how much you try and say otherwise.

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Well, we have like three or four lynches depending on our luck, we don't necessarily need power roles, if yomiel is telling the truth, which I honestly have no idea what so ever of, since she refuses to throw us even the slightest bone, the only logical move I can see campin doing as jailkeeper would be protection/blocking, making the role useless anyhow, I am currently for lynching yomiel, but would ask the following questions first.

1. There is a 50% chance the setup contains one jailkeeper, thus scum should logically not claim recklessly for fear of being counterclaimed, Is there any specific reason to think campin is not a jailkeeper?

2.Is there any reason to think there is not a jailkeeper in the game?

3. You are, if telling the truth, a cop, that is the only role you logically can be is you are telling the truth, if you were jailkeeper you would have counterclaimed and gotten campin lynched, if you were doc you wouldn't be speculating on the doctors actions, we have eliminated all other possibilities, just say yes or no depending on weather I'm correct or not.

[Yomiel]

I've claimed as much as I'm going to, so don't act like I've given you nothing. O_O

Of course there is reason to think Campin is not what he claims. First, it's a little too convenient that he of all people would claim to have that role. Neb says I claimed to be the Jailkeeper when I did not, then immediately, Campin says that is his role, so I am a liar who should be lynched. This is the same guy who has been pushing like crazy to get me killed. Second, why take the risk at this stage? I'm about to be killed, so there was really no pressing need to reveal himself as a power role. I had not actually claimed to be that role, nor was there any sign of people unvoting me.

I cannot say anymore, lest I mess up my strategy.

[everywhere116]

Does that satisfy you, /?