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Re: Rolegift Mafia 2 Day Three: Line Lost

Postby Rodion on Thu Jul 26, 2012 9:15 pm

It really pisses me off that you'd get an item and not claim it (which is lying somewhat), especially when I was so concerned about cataloguing all of them before we could make decisions. Even after cooling my head, however, at the moment I fail to see how this cyclone story adds up or effectively helps your cause.

1 - Are you saying that the cyclone is the 19th and final item? Or did you say it necessarily came with an 8-ball, meaning those 2 items are actually 1 and the 19th and final item is still undisclosed?

2 - Assume you could prove that such a cyclone exists. Since Campin did not claim a cyclone, wouldn't that only mean he got LSU's ball, the supposedly sane one, meaning you're mafia?
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Re: Rolegift Mafia 2 Day Three: Line Lost

Postby Yomiel on Thu Jul 26, 2012 9:24 pm

I've said why I could not admit to having it, and even looking back, I believe I did the right thing. Pancake's claim aside, it is an item many would find hard to believe, and if no one else recorded getting it, it would make people think I'm lying.

1. I can't say if the two would be counted separately or together. Either is possible, so that must be considered. There might be another secret item.

2. I said already, but I'm pretty sure there is only one 8-Ball, and it has random results. That makes sense. I say that Campin is lying.
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Re: Rolegift Mafia 2 Day Three: Line Lost

Postby Yomiel on Thu Jul 26, 2012 9:24 pm

I can't say whether it's because he's Mafia or just really wants me dead, though.
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Re: Rolegift Mafia 2 Day Three: Line Lost

Postby Rodion on Thu Jul 26, 2012 9:26 pm

Yomiel wrote:2. I said already, but I'm pretty sure there is only one 8-Ball, and it has random results. That makes sense. I say that Campin is lying.


If there is only 1 ball and you got it the other time, that would make PCM a liar as well, wouldn't it?
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Re: Rolegift Mafia 2 Day Three: Line Lost

Postby Yomiel on Thu Jul 26, 2012 9:36 pm

I have said that several times. That was one of the reasons I kept quiet, because I knew no one would believe such a crazy gift. And while you may criticise this, I've been proven right. Look at my investigation. It took ages for you to believe it. And you already doubt my item story. Had I come forward, I would have been killed Day 1!
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Re: Rolegift Mafia 2 Day Three: Line Lost

Postby jak111 on Thu Jul 26, 2012 9:38 pm

Rodion wrote:
Yomiel wrote:2. I said already, but I'm pretty sure there is only one 8-Ball, and it has random results. That makes sense. I say that Campin is lying.


If there is only 1 ball and you got it the other time, that would make PCM a liar as well, wouldn't it?


The thing I don't like is that PCM claimed 8-ball first... so really Yomiel would more likely be liar.
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Re: Rolegift Mafia 2 Day Three: Line Lost

Postby Rodion on Thu Jul 26, 2012 9:40 pm

If you claim to have KNOWLEDGE that PCM is a liar, then why didn't you ever vote him (in the past or, right now, in the present)?

I still don't believe you at all.
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Re: Rolegift Mafia 2 Day Three: Line Lost

Postby Yomiel on Thu Jul 26, 2012 9:51 pm

If I voted him, people would want a reason. I decided waiting was smarter.

It could be that Pancake got a cop gift and used it on me.
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Re: Rolegift Mafia 2 Day Three: Line Lost

Postby Rodion on Thu Jul 26, 2012 10:31 pm

Yomiel, mafia commuter gifter, lynched day three

- Chuck is the insane/paranoid cop* and gifted to pmchugh (95%), Jonty (5%)
- LSU's ball gave innocent on Jak and guilty on Yomiel - it means that the ball is neither paranoid nor naive, so it has to be sane or insane
- Yomiel is mafia, Jak is town - 99.9%
- Yomiel is town, Jak is mafia - 0.01% (and getting caught in huge contradictions like you did with the cyclone-ball thing when you are actually town is blacklist worthy, so I hope for your future on this website that you do flip mafia)

*Chuck said he was sure about the origin of the ball (you can only be sure Campin's ball is not Yomiel's if you are the gifter). The yay/nay thing was a valid attempt at concealing Chuck's role, but he said he was sure again, so I rule that mafia could easily conclude Chuck was the cop, therefore it's better to have that laid out publicly.

Wait for Tails/Milkshake and plan your gifts, guys. Sunday/monday we lynch Yomiel.
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Re: Rolegift Mafia 2 Day Three: Line Lost

Postby spiesr on Thu Jul 26, 2012 10:40 pm

Yomiel wrote:What's wrong with Hensow?

I was going to protect Campin, but since we're such good friends, I thought people might figure it out.: P

I didn't really have much of a reason. I tried to pick someone I didn't know or have any problems with, since I had little to go on. He seems okay.O_o
Sure, but unless he is revealed to have an important gift protecting him is a waste. He is so inactive that he would be pretty low on the mafia's hit list. And if they WIFOM and go for a low priority target they have plenty of choices.
Yomiel wrote:You're not getting it. I lied about only getting one gift, but I had a good reason. I was clarifying certain aspects of it with the host. In the meantime, Pancake claimed to have gotten the 8-ball. But I know he didn't. Unfortunately, I knew no one would believe me over him. Even if you lynched me and saw I was Town, you still wouldn't kill him. The giftnexus is a cyclone that blows away all your gifts and replaces them with a Magic 8-Ball.
The nexus you describe sounds nothing like the role of Nexus that I am familiar with.
Yomiel wrote: And even though there are other such gifts, do the gifters know they have them? Could they use them to protect someone the Town wants to keep safe? I'm thinking no.
You are confident that between a bullet-proof gifter, hider gifter and a doc that we couldn't save on player? Maybe if everyone tries to save Hensow...
Yomiel wrote:I did not really lie. I did receive the 8-Ball. I just didn't mention the nexus. I was waiting to get clarification on some stuff before I said anything, and then pancake said what he did, so I couldn't. And as you say in your third point, even if he hadn't said a thing, no one would have believed me, because it sounds weird.
We demanded that ALL GIFTS RECEIVED MUST BE CLAIMED. Not claiming a gift you got is equivalent to lying. Since you didn't claim it before we should lynch you out of policy.
Yomiel wrote:I've said why I could not admit to having it, and even looking back, I believe I did the right thing.
I strongly disagree.
Yomiel wrote:I have said that several times. That was one of the reasons I kept quiet, because I knew no one would believe such a crazy gift. And while you may criticise this, I've been proven right. Look at my investigation. It took ages for you to believe it. And you already doubt my item story. Had I come forward, I would have been killed Day 1!
Even you being lynched Day 1 would be have been way better that what you claim to have done. That way, we would had have seen you were telling the truth and lynch Pancake (who would be scum if your story is true) on Day 2. Your potential sacrifice would have helped the town more that you being alive. Trading 1 townie for 1 scum is a fair trade so town, especially so early in the game.
Rodion wrote:Yomiel, mafia commuter gifter, lynched day three

- Chuck is the insane/paranoid cop* and gifted to pmchugh (95%), Jonty (5%)
- LSU's ball gave innocent on Jak and guilty on Yomiel - it means that the ball is neither paranoid nor naive, so it has to be sane or insane
- Yomiel is mafia, Jak is town - 99.9%
- Yomiel is town, Jak is mafia - 0.01% (and getting caught in huge contradictions like you did with the cyclone-ball thing when you are actually town is blacklist worthy, so I hope for your future on this website that you do flip mafia)

*Chuck said he was sure about the origin of the ball (you can only be sure Campin's ball is not Yomiel's if you are the gifter). The yay/nay thing was a valid attempt at concealing Chuck's role, but he said he was sure again, so I rule that mafia could easily conclude Chuck was the cop, therefore it's better to have that laid out publicly.

Wait for Tails/Milkshake and plan your gifts, guys. Sunday/monday we lynch Yomiel.
And Rodion is right about everything, as usual. (As the only person who has any idea what he is doing inn this game if he is scum we might as well just surrender now.)
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Re: Rolegift Mafia 2 Day Three: Line Lost

Postby Yomiel on Thu Jul 26, 2012 10:43 pm

I'm still alive over here.
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Re: Rolegift Mafia 2 Day Three: Line Lost

Postby thechuck51 on Thu Jul 26, 2012 10:44 pm

Yes I am the insane/paranoid cop gifter. I sent to Yomiel day 1 and jonty day 2 so the gift campin got has to be from LSU.
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Re: Rolegift Mafia 2 Day Three: Line Lost

Postby spiesr on Thu Jul 26, 2012 10:46 pm

Yomiel wrote:I'm still alive over here.
Yes, and you will stay so until he either collect our information of the deadline gets close.

Rodio, could you give me the list of everyone who claimed not to get a gift each day? My chart is missing that right now. Thanks
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Re: Rolegift Mafia 2 Day Three: Line Lost

Postby Yomiel on Thu Jul 26, 2012 10:49 pm

Rodion gets more and more suspicious. He's speaking for everyone and forcing this forward too strongly. Why is no one else picking up on this? Spiesr is too.

You guys just aren't going to realize your mistake until it's too late.-.-
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Re: Rolegift Mafia 2 Day Three: Line Lost

Postby Yomiel on Thu Jul 26, 2012 10:52 pm

Forget this. I'm replacing out. This if freakin' ridiculous, and I'm not putting up with it. Rule breaking now? That's the lowest thing ever Rodion. I wanted to play an honest game, but apparently that's not going to happen.
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Re: Rolegift Mafia 2 Day Three: Line Lost

Postby Rodion on Thu Jul 26, 2012 10:52 pm

D1 list copy-pasted from one of my former D2 posts, D2 list by heart (so bear with me!)

Spiesr - no gift
Pmchugh - no gift
CK - no gift
Tail - no gift
Djfireside - no gift
Jonty - no gift
Milkshake - ??? (never got to claim)

D2

Milkshake - no gift
Chuck - no gift
Yomiel - no gift
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Re: Rolegift Mafia 2 Day Three: Line Lost

Postby Yomiel on Thu Jul 26, 2012 10:55 pm

Hopefully once I replace out you'll "magically" come to your sense.-.- This is so beyond bogus. I'm being forced out, or else the Town gets screwed over by the Mafia. Mark my words, Rodion and Pancake and Spiesr are all Mafia.
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Re: Rolegift Mafia 2 Day Three: Line Lost

Postby spiesr on Thu Jul 26, 2012 11:08 pm

Yomiel wrote:Rodion gets more and more suspicious. He's speaking for everyone and forcing this forward too strongly. Why is no one else picking up on this? Spiesr is too.
You guys just aren't going to realize your mistake until it's too late.-.-
You say something like this in every game. Sometimes you are town, sometimes you are scum. (One time you said it becuase we didn't lynch you.) As a result, the line has no meaning to me anymore.
Yomiel wrote:Mark my words, Rodion and Pancake and Spiesr are all Mafia.
This too.
Yomiel wrote:Forget this. I'm replacing out. This if freakin' ridiculous, and I'm not putting up with it. Rule breaking now? That's the lowest thing ever Rodion. I wanted to play an honest game, but apparently that's not going to happen.
We are going to lynch you this day phase. A replacement is unnecessary. (And I don't know who would want to replace someone who is going to be lynched right away.) You continuing to play up until your lynch or disappearing right now, it doesn't really matter. There is nothing else we need from you. Just waiting on some people to check in with info.
Also who is rule breaking (or saying that someone else is)? I don't remember seeing anything about that.
Yomiel wrote:I'm being forced out, or else the Town gets screwed over by the Mafia.
You are not being "forced out." You are being lynched. (For valid reasons.)
Rodion wrote:D1 list copy-pasted from one of my former D2 posts, D2 list by heart (so bear with me!)

Spiesr - no gift
Pmchugh - no gift
CK - no gift
Tail - no gift
Djfireside - no gift
Jonty - no gift
Milkshake - ??? (never got to claim)

D2

Milkshake - no gift
Chuck - no gift
Yomiel - no gift
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Re: Rolegift Mafia 2 Day Three: Line Lost

Postby Yomiel on Thu Jul 26, 2012 11:13 pm

Do you even realize how disgusting and rude what you are saying is? To just deem me worthless and cast me aside and tell me to wait until you get around to killing me? It's offensive. You guys will do or say anything to get rid of me.
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Re: Rolegift Mafia 2 Day Three: Line Lost

Postby everywhere116 on Thu Jul 26, 2012 11:53 pm

Wait for Tails/Milkshake and plan your gifts, guys. Sunday/monday we lynch Yomiel.


I was holding off voting until the nay/yay thing turned out. Now that that's rendered moot, this is the only thing left until we proceed with the lynch, correct?
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Re: Rolegift Mafia 2 Day Three: Line Lost

Postby soundman on Fri Jul 27, 2012 12:25 am

everywhere116 wrote:
Wait for Tails/Milkshake and plan your gifts, guys. Sunday/monday we lynch Yomiel.


I was holding off voting until the nay/yay thing turned out. Now that that's rendered moot, this is the only thing left until we proceed with the lynch, correct?

I believe that is correct. Just as a reminder, I know Pancake's role and am 99% sure that he is town.
Yomiel wrote:Do you even realize how disgusting and rude what you are saying is? To just deem me worthless and cast me aside and tell me to wait until you get around to killing me? It's offensive. You guys will do or say anything to get rid of me.

The evidence suggests that you are Mafia. That is why you are being lynched.
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Re: Rolegift Mafia 2 Day Three: Line Lost

Postby pancakemix on Fri Jul 27, 2012 12:33 am

Gah, sorry guys. RL is hitting me hard this week(end). I'm trying to keep up here, but I'm having a hard time.

Yomiel admitted to not telling the whole truth. It seems pretty clear to me that she needs to be lynched. Waiting on CM5 might be a waste of time, I wouldn't dawdle on that for too long.
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Re: Rolegift Mafia 2 Day Three: Line Lost

Postby LSU Tiger Josh on Fri Jul 27, 2012 1:22 am

I sent / a pm volunteering to replace as long as it wasn't for Yomiel since that is today's lynch. So far / hasn't read it though.
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Re: Rolegift Mafia 2 Day Three: Line Lost

Postby / on Fri Jul 27, 2012 4:13 am

uhmm, wait folks, I just got online, like I said I've been busy...
please don't post while I sort this out, K?
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Re: Rolegift Mafia 2 Day Three: Line Lost

Postby / on Fri Jul 27, 2012 5:04 am

Vote count

Rodion: 1 vote: yomiel
yomiel: 3 votes: Campin_Killer, jak111, Hensow


First off, Nebuchadnezer will be replacing crazy/shield
Yomiel is replaced, sort of, I'll let the role rest until the deadline, if the player in question is not lynched I will replace and put the game into a twilight phase for a short amount of time for the replacement to quickly get caught up and send/resend the gift.
Yomiel is not to post further in this thread until the official game end.

next, I am disappointed in you people, here are my official reprimands, issued by post order.

Jak: slight rudeness
viewtopic.php?f=213&t=173534&start=600#p3832906

yomiel: slight rudeness
viewtopic.php?f=213&t=173534&start=615#p3833333
Not addressing the mod privately with personal grievances as requested
viewtopic.php?f=213&t=173534&start=660#p3834239

campin_killer: Bringing up the past against my instruction, excessive strong language
viewtopic.php?f=213&t=173534&start=645#p3833978
viewtopic.php?f=213&t=173534&start=660#p3834218
viewtopic.php?f=213&t=173534&start=660#p3834236
Flaming
viewtopic.php?f=213&t=173534&start=660#p3834241

Everywhere: rudeness, spam
viewtopic.php?f=213&t=173534&start=690#p3834327


campin, I know you cannot control your temper, so this will be your final warning, blow up in my thread again and you are out.
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