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dakky21 wrote:ZaBeast wrote:While it's possible he has a post restriction of writing his posts as if they were a letter, from what I get from the flavor of the opening post, everybody is a commander, most likely the ones that came to the meeting, but some of them are traitors. So I don't see how having such a post restriction would be alignment indicative if it was the case.
Well, you said it right there. If the traitor is among those who came to the meeting, then it is not among those who did not, lol. I'd say it's pretty much alignment inicative I may be wrong of course.
Iliad wrote:The upside of calling everyone scum and making 1000 predictions is that statistically you should get a few right.
strike wolf wrote:Pikanchion wrote:Do we really even get any information when somebody is lynched if they have sufficent HP not to die from it? -With HP values of different players hidden (and potentially at different starting values given they have only been explicitly stated in the role PMs so far) there's really no telling how long it will be until the first person dies, and without a role reveal we can't even use the voting patterns as particularly reliable data until potentially much later in the game if the initial lynchee is not killed for some time...
Could this be a game where no lynch is the best option?
The most important variable here is how much damage scum do on their NK, if they only hit for 1 like the lynch then assuming we have a cop it's surely better to keep everybody as healthy as possible while the cop gets on with their job, they may well find scum before anybody even dies.
The best info well get is still what we would usually get voting patterns and people reacting to how the vote goes. However, without confirmed flips from lunches, voting patterns become more murky. Still as always, the worst mistake a town can make is to not give the appearance of trying to lynch. We can't rely on the idea that there is even a traditional investigative role in an experimental game (there may be no cop and tracker/watcher results could be obscured by mafia kills not going through on the first try due to the hp system). Even if there are providing pressure and getting slips can help focus investigations.
dakky21 wrote:I am sure Strike has a PR role, perhaps he comes "home" next day and the PR goes off, but I'm pretty sure he is on the battlefield now. That's the reason he didn't attend the meeting and my reasoning he is not scum, because I believe scum was one or two of the attending Generals.
strike wolf wrote:Dear Melinda,
It appears me acting as a goofball has killed the game. Also, the idea that a PR would he given that could reflect alignment would reflect bastard modding. Do you believe Doom is a bastard mod?
With certainty,
Strike Wolf
ZaBeast wrote:And also claiming would be an issue (do you claim when a lynch would kill you, when you're at risk of losing 1 HP and therefore put yourself at risk of getting picked on by scum in the meantime, or somewhere in between (if you have more than 2 HP)?)
Ragian wrote:Also, someone raised a nice question: How harsh is the scum nk? Does it take one HP or a life entirely? Would the mod tell us as much?
Pikanchion wrote:The most important variable here is how much damage scum do on their NK, if they only hit for 1 like the lynch then assuming we have a cop it's surely better to keep everybody as healthy as possible while the cop gets on with their job, they may well find scum before anybody even dies.
Pikanchion wrote:I've been continuing to mull this over for a few days[...]Scum's nightkill can't be a one hit kill unless there is only one scum player because otherwise it quickly becomes impossible for town to ever win (say we have just 2 scum with 2 HP each, then town can only afford one mislynch during the entire game)
yes.strike wolf wrote: Do you believe Doom is a bastard
oh. Still yes.mod?
I don't think the HP system is a reason to deviate from the regular game plan. We simply have less information to work with. Also don't forget:Of course, I made it so that you can't play the mod at all.
I'm not expecting name claims to have a lot of weight. They shouldn't, anyway. I expect we're gonna need to do some good old fashioned police work in this game.It's impossible to know what roles/characters are in the game and there might even be duplicates.
dakky21 wrote:I am sure Strike has a PR role, perhaps he comes "home" next day and the PR goes off, but I'm pretty sure he is on the battlefield now. That's the reason he didn't attend the meeting and my reasoning he is not scum, because I believe scum was one or two of the attending Generals.
strike wolf wrote:Dear Martha,
The war has taken it's toll on me. Due to continued shortages food has become more scarce. I often dream of the decadent meals we used to have. My fellow soldiers remain eager however.
Buj had to go home sick with mustard gas poisoning but his replacement Ragian has brought his own brand of enthusiasm. You'll be happy to know that Dakky is his usual skittish self. Aage for his own part seems deep in thought. DDS has again upset the general and been put back on dish cleaning duty. Sometimes I think he prefers it there and of course there's Pikanchion who I have twice saved from walking into enemy fire while he was distracted by his animal capturing game.
I do feel concerned about two of our number. This morning at role call, Skoffi n and ZaBeast avoided the traditional greeting. My comrades take this for mere disrespect but I can see through them.
Vote ZaBeast.
With Love,
Strike Wolf
P.S. it's also because I've never played with him before. :p
Pikanchion wrote:ZaBeast wrote:And also claiming would be an issue (do you claim when a lynch would kill you, when you're at risk of losing 1 HP and therefore put yourself at risk of getting picked on by scum in the meantime, or somewhere in between (if you have more than 2 HP)?)
I had given this some thought too; claiming is going to be an issue whatever we do.
If we decide players don't need to claim the first time they are lynched then they have no reason to claim until they are already close to death, at which point a low HP scum player could potentially gift their team the knowledge of any remaining role in the game by simply claiming to be said role and forcing a counterclaim at the last moment. Worse is the fact that scum can afford to not claim for longer than town players can, safe in the knowledge that they won't be picked off by an easy scum NK if they wait until their last HP to claim. Meanwhile a town player may feel the need to claim at 2 HP, because claiming any half-decent role at 1 HP near guarantees they won't survive the night anyway.
If we expect a claim on the first lynch, however, you create an incentive for powerful town roles to lie in their claims because scum will be the only ones who have no reason to doubt they're telling the truth. If they don't claim then town lynches them in x days, if they do claim (truthfully) then scum NKs them in x days, but if they lie and town believes them they won't be lynched and scum will likely target other players looking for those perceived to be more powerful, even if town doesn't believe them they still only die in that same x days because scum won't be wasting their NK on somebody they know town is set on killing.
Ragian wrote:Well... Suggesting a no lynch isn't the worst thing I've heard ever... However, I do raise an eyebrow when people discuss format and hypotheses rather than participation.
I'm not sure what I've missed, but I've definitely missed something. I don't know why Strike wouldn't be with us, nor am I completely grasping the HP idea to be honest. I need to reread this thread while you drag Skoffin in here.
Dukasaur wrote:saxitoxin wrote:taking medical advice from this creature; a morbidly obese man who is 100% convinced he willed himself into becoming a woman.
Your obsession with mrswdk is really sad.
ConfederateSS wrote:Just because people are idiots... Doesn't make them wrong.
Ragian wrote:So, Aage, for those less fortunate, you're saying that we should play the game as we usually play even if a lynch means that we aren't lynching anyone due to the HP system, right?
Skoffin wrote:Anyway, I think the real question here is why, when Doom explicitly said not to try playing the mod, that dakky immediately went to playing the mod.
Skoffin wrote: I'm here to win and slap fish.
Seems to me the logical thing to do is to lynch someone and see how much HP they lose from it; aside from that being the obvious thing you should do every game, but it seems to me that there likely varying degrees of HP and some may even outright live through a lynching.
Anyway, I still need to read up. But Pika is probably scum.
Dukasaur wrote:saxitoxin wrote:taking medical advice from this creature; a morbidly obese man who is 100% convinced he willed himself into becoming a woman.
Your obsession with mrswdk is really sad.
ConfederateSS wrote:Just because people are idiots... Doesn't make them wrong.
Dukasaur wrote:saxitoxin wrote:taking medical advice from this creature; a morbidly obese man who is 100% convinced he willed himself into becoming a woman.
Your obsession with mrswdk is really sad.
ConfederateSS wrote:Just because people are idiots... Doesn't make them wrong.
Ragian wrote:Is it super strong because you have a super strong gut?
Dukasaur wrote:saxitoxin wrote:taking medical advice from this creature; a morbidly obese man who is 100% convinced he willed himself into becoming a woman.
Your obsession with mrswdk is really sad.
ConfederateSS wrote:Just because people are idiots... Doesn't make them wrong.
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