Israel

[bigtoughralf]

It would be better if he'd arrest Netanyahu, but it's an okay start.

[jusplay4fun]

so tell us, ralf, how many of the 37,000 killed are Hamas FIGHTERS?

And why are Israeli hostages hidden at the HOMES of "innocent" civilians?

[Lonous]

Well the official U.N. numbers are

The breakdown of the figures in the UN OCHA report only includes casualties whose identities have been confirmed, while the overall figure is the number of reported deaths.[17] Over 24,000 of the dead have been fully identified by the Gaza Health Ministry;[18] of these, 52% are women and minors, 40% are men, and 8% are elderly of both sexes.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualtie ... 3Hamas_war

So of the 24,000 dead that have been fully identified, 40% of them were male between the age of 18-65.

[jusplay4fun]

Well the official U.N. numbers are

The breakdown of the figures in the UN OCHA report only includes casualties whose identities have been confirmed, while the overall figure is the number of reported deaths.[17] Over 24,000 of the dead have been fully identified by the Gaza Health Ministry;[18] of these, 52% are women and minors, 40% are men, and 8% are elderly of both sexes.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualtie ... 3Hamas_war

So of the 24,000 dead that have been fully identified, 40% of them were male between the age of 18-65.

Thank you, Lonous. At least you provided some reasonable data.

[Dukasaur]

Well the official U.N. numbers are

The breakdown of the figures in the UN OCHA report only includes casualties whose identities have been confirmed, while the overall figure is the number of reported deaths.[17] Over 24,000 of the dead have been fully identified by the Gaza Health Ministry;[18] of these, 52% are women and minors, 40% are men, and 8% are elderly of both sexes.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualtie ... 3Hamas_war

So of the 24,000 dead that have been fully identified, 40% of them were male between the age of 18-65.

It's worth noting that the Gaza Health Ministry, like everything else in Gaza, is controlled by Hamas and used for propaganda purposes.

But even if we accept the 40% figure, that's still fairly pretty damn good percentage for a shadowy organization that conceals itself amongst civilians.

[Votanic]

Well the official U.N. numbers are

The breakdown of the figures in the UN OCHA report only includes casualties whose identities have been confirmed, while the overall figure is the number of reported deaths.[17] Over 24,000 of the dead have been fully identified by the Gaza Health Ministry;[18] of these, 52% are women and minors, 40% are men, and 8% are elderly of both sexes.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualtie ... 3Hamas_war

So of the 24,000 dead that have been fully identified, 40% of them were male between the age of 18-65.

It's worth noting that the Gaza Health Ministry, like everything else in Gaza, is controlled by Hamas and used for propaganda purposes.

But even if we accept the 40% figure, that's still fairly pretty damn good percentage for a shadowy organization that conceals itself amongst civilians.

Oh yeah, and the Israeli Health Ministry is also purported to be under Israeli-control!
...and your point is??

[saxitoxin]

It's Monday and Biden has now been besieged inside the White House for seven years.

[Votanic]

It's Monday and Biden has now been besieged inside the White House for seven years.

They've got plenty of pudding cups and adult disposable diapers. He's fine.

[bigtoughralf]

Well the official U.N. numbers are

The breakdown of the figures in the UN OCHA report only includes casualties whose identities have been confirmed, while the overall figure is the number of reported deaths.[17] Over 24,000 of the dead have been fully identified by the Gaza Health Ministry;[18] of these, 52% are women and minors, 40% are men, and 8% are elderly of both sexes.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualtie ... 3Hamas_war

So of the 24,000 dead that have been fully identified, 40% of them were male between the age of 18-65.

It's worth noting that the Gaza Health Ministry, like everything else in Gaza, is controlled by Hamas and used for propaganda purposes.

In previous conflicts in Gaza the Gaza Health Ministry's casualty figures have always come out pretty much exactly the same as independent estimates produced by organisations like the UN. They're trustworthy, that's why pretty much every media outlet except those controlled by the Israeli government is quoting them.

But even if we accept the 40% figure, that's still fairly pretty damn good percentage for a shadowy organization that conceals itself amongst civilians.

No idea what you think is so great about that figure.

[Pack Rat]

Release the hostages!

Scattering hostages with Hamas fighters in areas filled with civilians will result in more fatalities.

[bigtoughralf]

Dropping bombs on hospitals, schools, houses and refugee camps will result in fatalities.

[jusplay4fun]

Well the official U.N. numbers are

The breakdown of the figures in the UN OCHA report only includes casualties whose identities have been confirmed, while the overall figure is the number of reported deaths.[17] Over 24,000 of the dead have been fully identified by the Gaza Health Ministry;[18] of these, 52% are women and minors, 40% are men, and 8% are elderly of both sexes.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualtie ... 3Hamas_war

So of the 24,000 dead that have been fully identified, 40% of them were male between the age of 18-65.

It's worth noting that the Gaza Health Ministry, like everything else in Gaza, is controlled by Hamas and used for propaganda purposes.

In previous conflicts in Gaza the Gaza Health Ministry's casualty figures have always come out pretty much exactly the same as independent estimates produced by organisations like the UN. They're trustworthy, that's why pretty much every media outlet except those controlled by the Israeli government is quoting them.

But even if we accept the 40% figure, that's still fairly pretty damn good percentage for a shadowy organization that conceals itself amongst civilians.

No idea what you think is so great about that figure.

NO Idea? This means IDF is killing Hamas fighters, who, as has been repeatedly said by me and some others here, HIDE among civilians. Since these "fighters" hide among civilians, there have been, and will continue to be, civilian casualties in this war.

[bigtoughralf]

Using his unrivalled psychic powers, jp has worked out that 100% of the 60+ year old men killed in IDF bombing raids on Gazan hospitals, refugee camps and schools were Hamas fighters.

[saxitoxin]

Well the official U.N. numbers are

The breakdown of the figures in the UN OCHA report only includes casualties whose identities have been confirmed, while the overall figure is the number of reported deaths.[17] Over 24,000 of the dead have been fully identified by the Gaza Health Ministry;[18] of these, 52% are women and minors, 40% are men, and 8% are elderly of both sexes.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualtie ... 3Hamas_war

So of the 24,000 dead that have been fully identified, 40% of them were male between the age of 18-65.

It's worth noting that the Gaza Health Ministry, like everything else in Gaza, is controlled by Hamas and used for propaganda purposes.

In previous conflicts in Gaza the Gaza Health Ministry's casualty figures have always come out pretty much exactly the same as independent estimates produced by organisations like the UN. They're trustworthy, that's why pretty much every media outlet except those controlled by the Israeli government is quoting them.

But even if we accept the 40% figure, that's still fairly pretty damn good percentage for a shadowy organization that conceals itself amongst civilians.

No idea what you think is so great about that figure.

NO Idea? This means IDF is killing Hamas fighters, who, as has been repeatedly said by me and some others here, HIDE among civilians. Since these "fighters" hide among civilians, there have been, and will continue to be, civilian casualties in this war.

I have never heard of a situation where the police know two bank robbers are hiding somewhere in a neighborhood so they carpet bomb the entire neighborhood and kill 3,000 people in the process. Then say, "Not our fault! The bank robbers were hiding among civilians! We're the heroes!"

And that's the standard - policing, not warfighting. You can't fight a war against yourself and, under international law, there is no right to self-defense against an internal threat.

Israel claims sovereignty over Gaza. So the Gazan population is 100% Israel's responsibility as much as Israeli citizens. Israel is, therefore, choosing to slaughter hundreds of innocent people for whom it's legally responsible for the sake of rescuing 4 people for whom it's also legally responsible. No sane person would do that unless they recognized some qualitative difference between the group of 4, versus the group of 200. By its actions, Israel has left no ambiguity that it considers members of the Jewish religion racially superior to non-members by a factor of 50-1.

When Reinhard Heydrich was assassinated by the Czech resistance, the Nazis ordered the execution of 100 Bohemians as punishment in accordance with Hitler's decree that 100 Czech lives were equal to one German life.

So, the Zionists are - I guess - only half as bad as the Nazis. But still pretty bad.

[HitRed]

[jusplay4fun]

Well the official U.N. numbers are

The breakdown of the figures in the UN OCHA report only includes casualties whose identities have been confirmed, while the overall figure is the number of reported deaths.[17] Over 24,000 of the dead have been fully identified by the Gaza Health Ministry;[18] of these, 52% are women and minors, 40% are men, and 8% are elderly of both sexes.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualtie ... 3Hamas_war

So of the 24,000 dead that have been fully identified, 40% of them were male between the age of 18-65.

It's worth noting that the Gaza Health Ministry, like everything else in Gaza, is controlled by Hamas and used for propaganda purposes.

In previous conflicts in Gaza the Gaza Health Ministry's casualty figures have always come out pretty much exactly the same as independent estimates produced by organisations like the UN. They're trustworthy, that's why pretty much every media outlet except those controlled by the Israeli government is quoting them.

But even if we accept the 40% figure, that's still fairly pretty damn good percentage for a shadowy organization that conceals itself amongst civilians.

No idea what you think is so great about that figure.

NO Idea? This means IDF is killing Hamas fighters, who, as has been repeatedly said by me and some others here, HIDE among civilians. Since these "fighters" hide among civilians, there have been, and will continue to be, civilian casualties in this war.

I have never heard of a situation where the police know two bank robbers are hiding somewhere in a neighborhood so they carpet bomb the entire neighborhood and kill 3,000 people in the process. Then say, "Not our fault! The bank robbers were hiding among civilians! We're the heroes!"

And that's the standard - policing, not warfighting. You can't fight a war against yourself and, under international law, there is no right to self-defense against an internal threat.

Israel claims sovereignty over Gaza. So the Gazan population is 100% Israel's responsibility as much as Israeli citizens. Israel is, therefore, choosing to slaughter hundreds of innocent people for whom it's legally responsible for the sake of rescuing 4 people for whom it's also legally responsible. No sane person would do that unless they recognized some qualitative difference between the group of 4, versus the group of 200. By its actions, Israel has left no ambiguity that it considers members of the Jewish religion racially superior to non-members by a factor of 50-1.

When Reinhard Heydrich was assassinated by the Czech resistance, the Nazis ordered the execution of 100 Bohemians as punishment in accordance with Hitler's decree that 100 Czech lives were equal to one German life.

So, the Zionists are - I guess - only half as bad as the Nazis. But still pretty bad.

You missed a major point: the civilians would intentionally NOT (edited in) hide the bank robbers. It is more likely that the civilians would tell the Police where the robbers are hiding.

SO: Bad Analogy; Bad Logic. Try again....?

[Pack Rat]

Release the remaining live and dead hostages. No truce and only more Palestinian fatalities.

HAMAS is using their own people as shields.

[Votanic]

The moral absolutist rabbi preaches from a pulpit built of guns and missiles.
Take away his temporal powers and his words become naught but disregarded prose, ...and lies!
The struggle continues.

[saxitoxin]

Snowden:

This is a tale of the Scorpion and the Frog. Biden is the Frog.

https://x.com/Snowden/status/1803137446294724967

[Votanic]

Snowden:

This is a tale of the Scorpion and the Frog. Biden is the Frog.

https://x.com/Snowden/status/1803137446294724967

I learned that tale from Violette Noziere.
I couldn't find a clip of that scene... but in my search, I learned that Isabelle Hupert was herself strongly inspired by the story: She now describes everything she has done as an actress as being due to innate and unavoidable nature: https://www.indiewire.com/features/general/isabelle-huppert-interview-greta-1202047935/

[bigtoughralf]

Another day, another war crime. The Israeli military has spent the night selling houses in Rafah, killing a group of 12 people who were stood waiting for an aid convoy:

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-ea ... 024-06-19/

[Votanic]

And what is this I hear about renewed unrest at the other end of Palrael, along the northern border?
Nevermind, Israel continuing to milk long-gone Hitler for tea, sympathy, and military hardware...
The new HH to fear might very well be Hezbollah + Hamas!

[saxitoxin]

Hezbollah has announced that the Islamic Resistance is massing forces in Southern Lebanon for a full-scale invasion of Israel should Israel persist in annoying it.

The ferocious "IDF" has been completely bogged down fighting the rag-tag rebel alliance in the Gaza Strip for nine months -- still with no victory in sight -- so it's unclear how it would handle a two-front war.

Even Israel seems to acknowledge it will, at minimum, face staggering losses in a two-front war.

“The State of Israel will pay a price on the front and home fronts, but with a strong and united nation, and the full power of the [Israeli military], we will restore security to the residents of the north.” [Israel FM Katz]

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/6/1 ... ll-out-war

Religious Services Minister Michael Malkieli was interviewed on Wednesday evening by the Channel 14 program 'The Patriots,' where he told them they are preparing for "major scenarios" in the North.

"The Religious Services Ministry entrusted with burials is preparing itself for major scenarios in the North. We are having meetings for big things in the North," Malkieli told Channel 14.

https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/article-806974

Meanwhile, unrest is brewing in the Egyptian Army against the Sisi dictatorship which has refused to declare war against Israel.

“We train day and night, and repeat marching chants against the Zionist enemy, and we hear dedicated newsletters bragging about how ready the military is, but when this enemy is killing thousands of our brothers, we sit idle,” Omar told MEE.

Middle East Eye has met five Egyptian soldiers, including Omar, most of whom have demonstrated their dissatisfaction with the way the government is dealing with the war in Gaza and with the killing of their comrades on the border with Israel.

The young soldier considers himself and his colleagues "elite fighters" trained to withstand harsh conditions and fight sophisticated targets. His unit, he added, has been reinforced by more elite and well-trained units from the counterterrorism division in North and Central Sinai since October.

Omar lost two comrades in clashes with Israeli soldiers earlier this month, but their deaths have had little recognition by the Egyptian army, including its senior leadership and President Abdel Fattah el-Sisi, he said.

https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/egyp ... ael-stance

[HitRed]

Historically Israel ends up with more territory.