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Re: Ukraine sets new record for surviving blitzkrieg!

Postby jusplay4fun on Thu Jul 21, 2022 3:09 am

Russian Su-35 Shot Down by Ukraine as $85m Aircraft Goes Up in Flames—Video

A Russian fighter jet has been shot down near the city of Nova Kakhovka in Ukraine's southern Kherson region, according to the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

In a statement on social media, the air force command of Ukraine's armed forces said that at around 8 p.m. Tuesday, a unit of Ukraine's anti-aircraft missile forces shot down a Russian fighter, "presumably an Su-35," in the area of ​​Nova Kakhovka.

It said that the Russian Sukhoi Su-35S fighter aircraft, worth $85 million per unit, attempted to attack an aircraft belonging to Ukraine's air force.

"There is visual confirmation of the downing of the plane, the pilot ejected," the post said. "In addition, during the current day, units of the anti-aircraft missile forces of the Air Force shot down 5 enemy unmanned aerial vehicles of the operational-tactical level."

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/russian-su-35-shot-down-by-ukraine-as-85m-aircraft-goes-up-in-flames-video/ar-AAZLUcf?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=2b39d36a2e244770a3885eadabb03efe
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Re: Ukraine sets new record for surviving blitzkrieg!

Postby saxitoxin on Thu Jul 21, 2022 4:10 am

    Vladimir Putin is dying of 12 different types of cancer! But if we don't stop Vladimir Putin he'll organize a 1,000 year Russian Empire that will envelope the world!

    The Russians are out of ammo and are firing potatoes at the Ukrainians! But if we don't send $80 billion in weapons to the Ukes tomorrow, Russia will outgun and massacre all of them!

    The Russian Army has been exposed as incompetent and incapable of even mounting an operation in their own backyard! But Russia may invade and conquer Boise next week unless we expand NATO!

    Everyone is deserting the Russian Army and anyone who hasn't deserted has already been killed by the Ukrainians! But we need volunteers and mercenaries from across Western Europe or else Ukraine will get flattened and occupied by the million-man Russian Army!


And some people wonder how Germans in the 1930s fell for crude and silly Nazi propaganda ...

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Re: Ukraine sets new record for surviving blitzkrieg!

Postby saxitoxin on Thu Jul 21, 2022 4:28 am

So the sanctions are going well ...

    Dollar-Rouble Exchange Rate Day Before Invasion: 1-to-75
    Dollar-Rouble Exchange Rate One Week After Invasion: 1-to-139
    Dollar-Rouble Exchange Rate Today: 1-to-55

:lol: :lol: :lol: =D> =D> =D>

More from the "Russian economy is on the verge of collapse" department ...

Russia’s Oil Revenue Soars Despite Sanctions, Study Finds

Russia earned what is very likely a record 93 billion euros in revenue from exports of oil, gas and coal in the first 100 days of the country’s invasion of Ukraine, according to data analyzed by the Center for Research on Energy and Clean Air, a research organization based in Helsinki, Finland.

“The current rate of revenue is unprecedented, because prices are unprecedented, and export volumes are close to their highest levels on record,” said Lauri Myllyvirta, an analyst who led the center’s research.

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/06/13/clim ... venue.html


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Re: Ukraine sets new record for surviving blitzkrieg!

Postby bigtoughralf on Thu Jul 21, 2022 5:15 am

I liked how the EU put a load of economic sanctions on Russia over the war and then the other day accused Russia of 'blackmail' when it threatened to reduce gas supply in response.

Refusing to import Russian gas = appropriate and reasonable
Refusing to export Russian gas = blackmail
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Re: Ukraine sets new record for surviving blitzkrieg!

Postby HitRed on Thu Jul 21, 2022 6:15 am

The incompetency is really highlighted in one big thing, in the sanctions the EU is imposing against Russia. Especially in the oil and energy sector, it’s literally destroying the European economy, particularly Germany. People don’t realize Germany is being asphyxiated by who - the Germans.
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Re: Ukraine sets new record for surviving blitzkrieg!

Postby jusplay4fun on Thu Jul 21, 2022 6:54 am

Russian troops have killed 353 children in Ukraine
16.07.2022 09:53


As of the morning of July 16, 353 children were killed in Ukraine since the beginning of Russia’s full-scale invasion.
"According to the official information of the juvenile prosecutors, 353 children were killed and more than 662 children were injured," the Prosecutor General's Office posted on Telegram.

As noted, these numbers are not final as efforts are being made to establish casualties in areas of active hostilities, in temporarily occupied and liberated territories.

According to the Prosecutor General's Office, most children were affected in Donetsk region – 353, Kharkiv region – 191, Kyiv region – 116, Chernihiv region – 68, Luhansk region – 61, Mykolayiv region – 53, Kherson region – 52, Zaporizhzhia region – 31.

In particular, according to the Prosecutor General's Office, Russian servicemen killed a mother and her young daughter in Kherson on July 15. It also became known about three more children injured in Russian missile strike on Vinnytsia city center on July 14.

Read also: Russian forces committed more than 23,300 war crimes in Ukraine - PGO

On July 15, a 14-year-old girl was injured in the Russian shelling of the village of Verkhnokamianske, Donetsk region, and a 16-year-old girl was injured in the Russian shelling of the village of Sviato-Pokrovske, Donetsk region.

A total of 2,138 educational institutions were damaged as a result of bombings and shelling by the armed forces of the Russian Federation, of which 221 were completely destroyed.

On February 24, Russia launched a full-scale invasion of Ukraine. The Russian troops shell and destroy key infrastructure facilities, massively fire on residential neighborhoods of Ukrainian cities and villages using artillery, MLRS, aerial bombs, and ballistic missiles.

https://www.ukrinform.net/rubric-ato/3530220-russian-troops-have-killed-353-children-in-ukraine.html
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Re: Ukraine sets new record for surviving blitzkrieg!

Postby bigtoughralf on Thu Jul 21, 2022 8:39 am

jusplay4fun wrote:
Russian troops have killed 353 children in Ukraine
16.07.2022 09:53

As of the morning of July 16, 353 children were killed in Ukraine since the beginning of Russia’s full-scale invasion.


Congratulations to the Russian military for taking great care to avoid civilian casualties and consequently killing far fewer than the 40,000-60,000 children killed during the American invasion of Iraq.
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Re: Ukraine sets new record for surviving blitzkrieg!

Postby jusplay4fun on Thu Jul 21, 2022 12:00 pm

bigtoughralf wrote:
jusplay4fun wrote:
Russian troops have killed 353 children in Ukraine
16.07.2022 09:53

As of the morning of July 16, 353 children were killed in Ukraine since the beginning of Russia’s full-scale invasion.


Congratulations to the Russian military for taking great care to avoid civilian casualties and consequently killing far fewer than the 40,000-60,000 children killed during the American invasion of Iraq.


Now smallsoftRalph wants to use shrill hyperbole like saxi and ConfedSS. OF COURSE his casualty figures are HUGELY overstated:

Various nonprofit watchdog groups try to keep count of children killed by U.S. and allied forces by tracking media, government and non-governmental-organization (NGO) reports. According to Iraq Body Count, between 2003 and 2011, U.S. coalition forces killed at least 1,201 children in Iraq alone.


NOTE even CLOSE, stoopidDummAssRalph.

https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/cross-check/where-is-outcry-over-children-killed-by-u-s-led-forces/
NOTE that ralph cites NO sources of his IMAGINARY number. Typical of him and saxi; NO Surprise, again.


And Brian Boru is not the same person as Bobby Sands, you DummAss (or Dumbass, if smallStoopidSoftRalph prefers).
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Re: Ukraine sets new record for surviving blitzkrieg!

Postby saxitoxin on Thu Jul 21, 2022 12:25 pm

jusplay4fun wrote:
Russian troops have killed 353 children in Ukraine
16.07.2022 09:53


As of the morning of July 16, 353 children were killed in Ukraine since the beginning of Russia’s full-scale invasion.
"According to the official information of the juvenile prosecutors, 353 children were killed and more than 662 children were injured," the Prosecutor General's Office posted on Telegram.

As noted, these numbers are not final as efforts are being made to establish casualties in areas of active hostilities, in temporarily occupied and liberated territories.

According to the Prosecutor General's Office, most children were affected in Donetsk region – 353, Kharkiv region – 191, Kyiv region – 116, Chernihiv region – 68, Luhansk region – 61, Mykolayiv region – 53, Kherson region – 52, Zaporizhzhia region – 31.

In particular, according to the Prosecutor General's Office, Russian servicemen killed a mother and her young daughter in Kherson on July 15. It also became known about three more children injured in Russian missile strike on Vinnytsia city center on July 14.

Read also: Russian forces committed more than 23,300 war crimes in Ukraine - PGO

On July 15, a 14-year-old girl was injured in the Russian shelling of the village of Verkhnokamianske, Donetsk region, and a 16-year-old girl was injured in the Russian shelling of the village of Sviato-Pokrovske, Donetsk region.

A total of 2,138 educational institutions were damaged as a result of bombings and shelling by the armed forces of the Russian Federation, of which 221 were completely destroyed.

On February 24, Russia launched a full-scale invasion of Ukraine. The Russian troops shell and destroy key infrastructure facilities, massively fire on residential neighborhoods of Ukrainian cities and villages using artillery, MLRS, aerial bombs, and ballistic missiles.

https://www.ukrinform.net/rubric-ato/3530220-russian-troops-have-killed-353-children-in-ukraine.html


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Re: Ukraine sets new record for surviving blitzkrieg!

Postby jusplay4fun on Thu Jul 21, 2022 12:42 pm

saxitoxin wrote:
jusplay4fun wrote:
Russian troops have killed 353 children in Ukraine
16.07.2022 09:53


As of the morning of July 16, 353 children were killed in Ukraine since the beginning of Russia’s full-scale invasion.
"According to the official information of the juvenile prosecutors, 353 children were killed and more than 662 children were injured," the Prosecutor General's Office posted on Telegram.

As noted, these numbers are not final as efforts are being made to establish casualties in areas of active hostilities, in temporarily occupied and liberated territories.

According to the Prosecutor General's Office, most children were affected in Donetsk region – 353, Kharkiv region – 191, Kyiv region – 116, Chernihiv region – 68, Luhansk region – 61, Mykolayiv region – 53, Kherson region – 52, Zaporizhzhia region – 31.

In particular, according to the Prosecutor General's Office, Russian servicemen killed a mother and her young daughter in Kherson on July 15. It also became known about three more children injured in Russian missile strike on Vinnytsia city center on July 14.

Read also: Russian forces committed more than 23,300 war crimes in Ukraine - PGO

On July 15, a 14-year-old girl was injured in the Russian shelling of the village of Verkhnokamianske, Donetsk region, and a 16-year-old girl was injured in the Russian shelling of the village of Sviato-Pokrovske, Donetsk region.

A total of 2,138 educational institutions were damaged as a result of bombings and shelling by the armed forces of the Russian Federation, of which 221 were completely destroyed.

On February 24, Russia launched a full-scale invasion of Ukraine. The Russian troops shell and destroy key infrastructure facilities, massively fire on residential neighborhoods of Ukrainian cities and villages using artillery, MLRS, aerial bombs, and ballistic missiles.

https://www.ukrinform.net/rubric-ato/3530220-russian-troops-have-killed-353-children-in-ukraine.html


You can bump this as many times as you want, we ain't buying what you're selling.


I am shocked..! :shock: :o NOT..!!! :lol: =D>

Bump? as in repeat? really? Answer = NO, not a bump of old material. You fail, AGAIN, saxi.
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Re: Ukraine sets new record for surviving blitzkrieg!

Postby bigtoughralf on Thu Jul 21, 2022 6:20 pm

jusplay4fun wrote:
bigtoughralf wrote:
jusplay4fun wrote:
Russian troops have killed 353 children in Ukraine
16.07.2022 09:53

As of the morning of July 16, 353 children were killed in Ukraine since the beginning of Russia’s full-scale invasion.


Congratulations to the Russian military for taking great care to avoid civilian casualties and consequently killing far fewer than the 40,000-60,000 children killed during the American invasion of Iraq.


According to Iraq Body Count


You mean the American study that was roundly criticised by academic researchers for being a 'white wash' that overlooked the vast majority of civilian deaths?

Biden could tell you that your cold Big Mac was North Korea's fault and you'd probably believe him wouldn't you.
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Re: Ukraine sets new record for surviving blitzkrieg!

Postby jusplay4fun on Thu Jul 21, 2022 7:50 pm

bigtoughralf wrote:
jusplay4fun wrote:
bigtoughralf wrote:
jusplay4fun wrote:
Russian troops have killed 353 children in Ukraine
16.07.2022 09:53

As of the morning of July 16, 353 children were killed in Ukraine since the beginning of Russia’s full-scale invasion.


Congratulations to the Russian military for taking great care to avoid civilian casualties and consequently killing far fewer than the 40,000-60,000 children killed during the American invasion of Iraq.


According to Iraq Body Count


You mean the American study that was roundly criticised by academic researchers for being a 'white wash' that overlooked the vast majority of civilian deaths?

Biden could tell you that your cold Big Mac was North Korea's fault and you'd probably believe him wouldn't you.


And what evidence do YOU offer, smallWeakSoftRalph? NONE, except what you pulled out of your BUTT, arse the air. And Bobby is not the same guy as Brian. :D :lol:
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Re: Ukraine sets new record for surviving blitzkrieg!

Postby saxitoxin on Fri Jul 22, 2022 6:04 pm

No wonder Ukraine can't defeat Russia using U.S.-designed weapons. It turns out the head of American rocket research was, until recently, a $400/hour prostitute and high school dropout.

Then, after discovering that American rocket technology was headed by a hooker -- which would be embarrassing -- Air Force intelligence apparently caused the guy who hired her to have "an accident."

A recently unsealed search warrant details an extensive scam by Jim Gord, a senior researcher of advanced propulsion technologies at Wright-Patterson Air Force Base, Ohio, and an unnamed female escort with whom he was in a sexual relationship.

He urged a lab contractor and friend to hire the woman based on her fraudulent resume — and her looks — in 2017. He also moved federal funding around to pay her salary and named her as the chair of a scientific panel on engine and rocket technology despite her lack of experience. The woman started work but “did not fully understand how to use basic word processing and document creation software, and struggled to formulate coherent interoffice emails,” the affidavit said.

Gord charged the woman’s $400-per-hour rate for sex to his government credit card, as well as that of several other escorts that he hired around the country.

Online obituary sites show Gord died of an "unnamed cause" last year.

https://www.airforcetimes.com/news/your ... docs-show/


I give the West about another three years.
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Re: Ukraine sets new record for surviving blitzkrieg!

Postby jusplay4fun on Sat Jul 23, 2022 2:46 pm

saxitoxin wrote:No wonder Ukraine can't defeat Russia using U.S.-designed weapons. It turns out the head of American rocket research was, until recently, a $400/hour prostitute and high school dropout.

Then, after discovering that American rocket technology was headed by a hooker -- which would be embarrassing -- Air Force intelligence apparently caused the guy who hired her to have "an accident."

A recently unsealed search warrant details an extensive scam by Jim Gord, a senior researcher of advanced propulsion technologies at Wright-Patterson Air Force Base, Ohio, and an unnamed female escort with whom he was in a sexual relationship.

He urged a lab contractor and friend to hire the woman based on her fraudulent resume — and her looks — in 2017. He also moved federal funding around to pay her salary and named her as the chair of a scientific panel on engine and rocket technology despite her lack of experience. The woman started work but “did not fully understand how to use basic word processing and document creation software, and struggled to formulate coherent interoffice emails,” the affidavit said.

Gord charged the woman’s $400-per-hour rate for sex to his government credit card, as well as that of several other escorts that he hired around the country.

Online obituary sites show Gord died of an "unnamed cause" last year.

https://www.airforcetimes.com/news/your ... docs-show/


I give the West about another three years.


Here is another false set of conclusions by saxi based upon his read of the actual facts; saxi continues to spin false narratives (i.e., LIES) from reading a story online. Read his cited source yourself. BTW: skip the photos; they prove nothing.
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Re: Ukraine sets new record for surviving blitzkrieg!

Postby jusplay4fun on Sat Jul 23, 2022 2:49 pm

bigtoughralf wrote:
jusplay4fun wrote:
bigtoughralf wrote:
jusplay4fun wrote:
Russian troops have killed 353 children in Ukraine
16.07.2022 09:53

As of the morning of July 16, 353 children were killed in Ukraine since the beginning of Russia’s full-scale invasion.


Congratulations to the Russian military for taking great care to avoid civilian casualties and consequently killing far fewer than the 40,000-60,000 children killed during the American invasion of Iraq.


According to Iraq Body Count


You mean the American study that was roundly criticised by academic researchers for being a 'white wash' that overlooked the vast majority of civilian deaths?

Biden could tell you that your cold Big Mac was North Korea's fault and you'd probably believe him wouldn't you.


I have not had a Big Mac in over 35 years; they are not a good burger. The burgers I grill are much better, turkey, beef, or meatless. PERIOD.
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Re: Ukraine sets new record for surviving blitzkrieg!

Postby Qwert on Mon Jul 25, 2022 3:24 pm

bigtoughralf wrote:
jusplay4fun wrote:
Russian troops have killed 353 children in Ukraine
16.07.2022 09:53

As of the morning of July 16, 353 children were killed in Ukraine since the beginning of Russia’s full-scale invasion.


Congratulations to the Russian military for taking great care to avoid civilian casualties and consequently killing far fewer than the 40,000-60,000 children killed during the American invasion of Iraq.


well you have many more War destruction record of US who will be hard for Russia to brake.
destruction of forest record-31000 km2 (vietnam)
killed by use of only 1 bomb record - 80000 civilians (Hiroshima)

Russia its a far behind so need a lot of effort to reach US in records.
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Re: Ukraine sets new record for surviving blitzkrieg!

Postby bigtoughralf on Mon Jul 25, 2022 3:31 pm

And that's just the victims of America's 'hot' wars. There are also the 10s-100s thousands of deaths its economic warfare has caused:

https://cepr.net/report/economic-sancti ... venezuela/

Thankfully this is another area of warfare where the Kremlin has shown significantly more restraint than the White House though.
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Re: Ukraine sets new record for surviving blitzkrieg!

Postby jusplay4fun on Sat Jul 30, 2022 6:49 pm

US Defense Department Official Says Russia’s War Effort Is Failing
Marc Santora - 9h ago (July 30, 2022) New York Times

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/us-defense-department-official-says-russia-s-war-effort-is-failing/ar-AA107WBm?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=20e1d9523d6f480f8eb44290e2f1a083

The Ukrainian military repelled attempted Russian advances in eastern Ukraine and pounded critical Russian logistical hubs overnight into Saturday as Russia continued to bombard towns and cities along the 400-mile front line.

Ukraine made small but steady gains in the southern region of Kherson, a port city in the south where thousands of Russian soldiers are now largely isolated after Ukrainian strikes on key supply routes.

A senior U.S. Defense Department official acknowledged those advances at a news briefing on Friday and said there was growing evidence that steep Russian losses had left some units ill-prepared to fight.

The official described Russia’s recent efforts as a failure both on the battlefield and at home, where Moscow’s rhetoric about its ambitions in Ukraine has grown more bombastic in recent days. Senior Kremlin officials have talked of regime change in Kyiv, and Prime Minister Dmitri Medvedev of Russia posted a map on his Telegram channel depicting a Ukraine swallowed up by Russia and its neighbors.
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Re: Ukraine sets new record for surviving blitzkrieg!

Postby saxitoxin on Sun Jul 31, 2022 2:18 am

With thousands of his soldiers dying every week, Zelenskyy took time for a Vogue photoshoot.

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Re: Ukraine sets new record for surviving blitzkrieg!

Postby jusplay4fun on Sun Jul 31, 2022 6:22 am

saxitoxin wrote:With thousands of his soldiers dying every week, Zelenskyy took time for a Vogue photoshoot.

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and pukin' putin, dying of (likely) monkey pox (or cancer or Parkinson's) , goes to Teheran. Your Point?

“Russia turning to Iran for the help speaks volumes about the degree to which both nations, for their actions into different areas of the world, have been increasingly isolated by the international community,” the National Security Council coordinator for strategic communications John Kirby told CNN last week.

https://www.cnn.com/2022/07/19/middleeast/putin-iran-visit-russia-ukraine-intl/index.html

Smoke hangs low over Europe’s skies. Most rises from pulverised Ukrainian cities, ruined by Russian artillery. Some, however, emanates from the ceaseless swirl of rumours about Vladimir Putin’s health. If there is smoke, does fire necessarily follow? What is gained by speculating about the dictator’s health? What might his wellbeing say about his decision to invade Ukraine and subsequent conduct of war? And what might it reveal about our own beliefs?

Today’s whispers have two sources. The first is Putin’s dramatically changed appearance. As recently as five years ago, his face was lean and ruddy: past its best, but still passable for the staging of photos that depicted his impeccable machismo. Photos from this year tell a different story: Putin’s face is now grotesquely bloated. The second is a meeting between the Russian leader and his Defence Minister, Sergey Shoigu, on 21 April. The footage, which has been analysed as though it were a lost Zapruder tape, appears to show Putin gripping the table in an apparent attempt to remain upright.

Some believe Putin’s physical transformation is the result of an overzealous commitment to fillers or botox, perhaps inspired by his friend Silvio Berlusconi. Others contend that it is simply the normal ageing process of a man now nudging 70. But undoubtedly the loudest voices belong to those who believe Putin is seriously ill.

According to an exclusive report in Newsweek, American intelligence has concluded that Putin was treated for “advanced cancer” in April. His health is apparently the subject of active discussion inside the Biden administration. Students of the Shoigu meeting are convinced Putin has Parkinson’s Disease. An anonymous FSB officer has claimed that Putin has been diagnosed with an aggressive liver cancer and has just three years to live. Ukraine’s Defence Intelligence chief Kyrylo Budanov, meanwhile, has trumped them all, asserting that Putin in fact has several serious illnesses. So loud have the whispers become that Shoigu himself recently denied them.

Many claim that Putin’s decision to invade was itself a sign of illness. Barely 100 days old, the war has come at such a catastrophic price – in blood, treasure and prestige – that surely it could only have been the product of an ailing mind, or one which no longer cares about the future? Perhaps. But the Kremlin’s strategic blunders are much better explained by the fact that Putin has built a regime where frank and fearless advice is a career-limiting move, and toadies get ahead.

https://www.lowyinstitute.org/the-interpreter/vladimir-putin-sick

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Re: Ukraine sets new record for surviving blitzkrieg!

Postby jimboston on Sun Jul 31, 2022 7:57 am

Civilians and children die in wars.

Even if they don’t die from physical harm directly associated with the war their lives are completely disrupted and there is very often long-term harm from which they will never fully recover. I’m talking about…
1) Long term psychological harm.
2) Deaths of relatives and friends.
3) Disruptions in health care that have long term consequences.
4) Disruptions in food / water access that have long term consequences.
5) Disruptions in education that have long term consequences.

These impacts on civilians and children happen in all wars, regardless of which country/group is the aggressor or instigator or victim.

Yes, some wars have larger impacts on children and civilians than other wars… and yes actions of the aggressors (and defenders) can increase or reduce these impacts in various ways. (.. for example direct targeting of civilian areas likely increases the impacts.). Thag said, ALL conflicts have these impacts. This has all been true forever and is undebatable.

The US Invasion of Iraq was wrong and has likely “ruined” a generation of Iraqi’s.

We need to acknowledge this as a fact… that we Americans (through the policies of our Gov’t) have ruined or irreparably harmed a significant percentage of a whole generation of Iraqi people. We did this, and they really aren’t any better off than they were under the previous gov’t… are they?

The idea that you people can argue about casualty numbers of children and think that “proves” something is ridiculous.
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Re: Ukraine sets new record for surviving blitzkrieg!

Postby saxitoxin on Sun Jul 31, 2022 11:12 am

jusplay4fun wrote:
saxitoxin wrote:With thousands of his soldiers dying every week, Zelenskyy took time for a Vogue photoshoot.

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and pukin' putin, dying of (likely) monkey pox (or cancer or Parkinson's) , goes to Teheran. Your Point?

“Russia turning to Iran for the help speaks volumes about the degree to which both nations, for their actions into different areas of the world, have been increasingly isolated by the international community,” the National Security Council coordinator for strategic communications John Kirby told CNN last week.

https://www.cnn.com/2022/07/19/middleeast/putin-iran-visit-russia-ukraine-intl/index.html

Smoke hangs low over Europe’s skies. Most rises from pulverised Ukrainian cities, ruined by Russian artillery. Some, however, emanates from the ceaseless swirl of rumours about Vladimir Putin’s health. If there is smoke, does fire necessarily follow? What is gained by speculating about the dictator’s health? What might his wellbeing say about his decision to invade Ukraine and subsequent conduct of war? And what might it reveal about our own beliefs?

Today’s whispers have two sources. The first is Putin’s dramatically changed appearance. As recently as five years ago, his face was lean and ruddy: past its best, but still passable for the staging of photos that depicted his impeccable machismo. Photos from this year tell a different story: Putin’s face is now grotesquely bloated. The second is a meeting between the Russian leader and his Defence Minister, Sergey Shoigu, on 21 April. The footage, which has been analysed as though it were a lost Zapruder tape, appears to show Putin gripping the table in an apparent attempt to remain upright.

Some believe Putin’s physical transformation is the result of an overzealous commitment to fillers or botox, perhaps inspired by his friend Silvio Berlusconi. Others contend that it is simply the normal ageing process of a man now nudging 70. But undoubtedly the loudest voices belong to those who believe Putin is seriously ill.

According to an exclusive report in Newsweek, American intelligence has concluded that Putin was treated for “advanced cancer” in April. His health is apparently the subject of active discussion inside the Biden administration. Students of the Shoigu meeting are convinced Putin has Parkinson’s Disease. An anonymous FSB officer has claimed that Putin has been diagnosed with an aggressive liver cancer and has just three years to live. Ukraine’s Defence Intelligence chief Kyrylo Budanov, meanwhile, has trumped them all, asserting that Putin in fact has several serious illnesses. So loud have the whispers become that Shoigu himself recently denied them.

Many claim that Putin’s decision to invade was itself a sign of illness. Barely 100 days old, the war has come at such a catastrophic price – in blood, treasure and prestige – that surely it could only have been the product of an ailing mind, or one which no longer cares about the future? Perhaps. But the Kremlin’s strategic blunders are much better explained by the fact that Putin has built a regime where frank and fearless advice is a career-limiting move, and toadies get ahead.

https://www.lowyinstitute.org/the-interpreter/vladimir-putin-sick

What Did the saxi Know, and When Did He Know It?


It turns out that was all a conspiracy theory someone started on social media; there's literally nothing else to the story than an anonymous social media message. And the slavish western media lapped it up to reinforce their war propaganda.

    CIA director says there is no intelligence Vladimir Putin is dying of illness

    The director of the CIA has weighed in on ongoing rumours about Vladimir Putin's supposed ill health.

    Speaking at a security forum in Colorado, Williams Burns made a joke that Putin was "too healthy" before making a public briefing on the latest intelligence on the Russian leader's health.

    The speculation grew when someone claiming to be a former high-ranking Kremlin member posted Putin health rumours to a Telegram group that has previously leaked information from inside Russia.

    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/cia-di ... JC3ENOSO4/
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Re: Ukraine sets new record for surviving blitzkrieg!

Postby jusplay4fun on Sun Jul 31, 2022 2:49 pm

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saxitoxin wrote:With thousands of his soldiers dying every week, Zelenskyy took time for a Vogue photoshoot.

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and pukin' putin, dying of (likely) monkey pox (or cancer or Parkinson's) , goes to Teheran. Your Point?

“Russia turning to Iran for the help speaks volumes about the degree to which both nations, for their actions into different areas of the world, have been increasingly isolated by the international community,” the National Security Council coordinator for strategic communications John Kirby told CNN last week.

https://www.cnn.com/2022/07/19/middleeast/putin-iran-visit-russia-ukraine-intl/index.html

Smoke hangs low over Europe’s skies. Most rises from pulverised Ukrainian cities, ruined by Russian artillery. Some, however, emanates from the ceaseless swirl of rumours about Vladimir Putin’s health. If there is smoke, does fire necessarily follow? What is gained by speculating about the dictator’s health? What might his wellbeing say about his decision to invade Ukraine and subsequent conduct of war? And what might it reveal about our own beliefs?

Today’s whispers have two sources. The first is Putin’s dramatically changed appearance. As recently as five years ago, his face was lean and ruddy: past its best, but still passable for the staging of photos that depicted his impeccable machismo. Photos from this year tell a different story: Putin’s face is now grotesquely bloated. The second is a meeting between the Russian leader and his Defence Minister, Sergey Shoigu, on 21 April. The footage, which has been analysed as though it were a lost Zapruder tape, appears to show Putin gripping the table in an apparent attempt to remain upright.

Some believe Putin’s physical transformation is the result of an overzealous commitment to fillers or botox, perhaps inspired by his friend Silvio Berlusconi. Others contend that it is simply the normal ageing process of a man now nudging 70. But undoubtedly the loudest voices belong to those who believe Putin is seriously ill.

According to an exclusive report in Newsweek, American intelligence has concluded that Putin was treated for “advanced cancer” in April. His health is apparently the subject of active discussion inside the Biden administration. Students of the Shoigu meeting are convinced Putin has Parkinson’s Disease. An anonymous FSB officer has claimed that Putin has been diagnosed with an aggressive liver cancer and has just three years to live. Ukraine’s Defence Intelligence chief Kyrylo Budanov, meanwhile, has trumped them all, asserting that Putin in fact has several serious illnesses. So loud have the whispers become that Shoigu himself recently denied them.

Many claim that Putin’s decision to invade was itself a sign of illness. Barely 100 days old, the war has come at such a catastrophic price – in blood, treasure and prestige – that surely it could only have been the product of an ailing mind, or one which no longer cares about the future? Perhaps. But the Kremlin’s strategic blunders are much better explained by the fact that Putin has built a regime where frank and fearless advice is a career-limiting move, and toadies get ahead.

https://www.lowyinstitute.org/the-interpreter/vladimir-putin-sick

What Did the saxi Know, and When Did He Know It?


It turns out that was all a conspiracy theory someone started on social media; there's literally nothing else to the story than an anonymous social media message. And the slavish western media lapped it up to reinforce their war propaganda.

    CIA director says there is no intelligence Vladimir Putin is dying of illness

    The director of the CIA has weighed in on ongoing rumours about Vladimir Putin's supposed ill health.

    Speaking at a security forum in Colorado, Williams Burns made a joke that Putin was "too healthy" before making a public briefing on the latest intelligence on the Russian leader's health.

    The speculation grew when someone claiming to be a former high-ranking Kremlin member posted Putin health rumours to a Telegram group that has previously leaked information from inside Russia.

    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/cia-di ... JC3ENOSO4/


NOTE these quotes from saxi's own source; I guess saxi again FAILED to read beyond the Headlines:

The KEY word is CONCRETE information, as in tangible and verifiable; we expect nothing less with regards to CONCRETE intelligence.

BUT that does not stop the speculation and rumors. LOOK at the PHOTOS in the same article that saxi cites. PITIFUL putin. He looks weaker than "old Joe" and that says LOTS.

The director of the CIA has weighed in on ongoing rumours about Vladimir Putin's supposed ill health.

Speaking at a security forum in Colorado, Williams Burns made a joke that Putin was "too healthy" before making a public briefing on the latest intelligence on the Russian leader's health.

Burns said the CIA has not seen concrete information regarding Putin's poor health, despite speculation that he could be dying.

The speculation grew when someone claiming to be a former high-ranking Kremlin member posted Putin health rumours to a Telegram group that has previously leaked information from inside Russia.

Putin's sickly appearance and uncharacteristically fidgety behaviour in public have recently raised questions about his health. Photo / Kremlin

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Images of Putin wrapped in a blanket at a public event, among other supposed signs of illness, have generated speculation in recent months. Despite attempts from the Kremlin to stamp out talk of their leader growing weak, questions continue to swirl online and in the press. {Check the picture of putin in a blanket, like a feeble old lady...LoL... :D :lol: ]

Russia's land forces may pose less of a threat now, after suffering setbacks in the war in Ukraine, the military chief said.

The invasion has killed or wounded 50,000 Russian soldiers and destroyed nearly 1700 Russian tanks, as well as some 4000 armoured fighting vehicles, he estimated.
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Re: Ukraine sets new record for surviving blitzkrieg!

Postby saxitoxin on Sun Jul 31, 2022 3:43 pm

lol :lol:

jp4f is like the crazy Democrats who, since 2015, have been insisting Donald Trump is days away from being arrested; or the lunatics before that who - throughout George W. Bush's term - swore up and down Bush was 100% destined to be prosecuted for war crimes

jp4f will be insisting Putin is on his death bed forever and no evidence will dissuade him - not the CIA director himself; when Putin finally dies in a retirement home at age 89 jp4f will smugly exclaim "well I told you - he WAS dying, it wasn't a conspiracy theory after all"
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Re: Ukraine sets new record for surviving blitzkrieg!

Postby Dukasaur on Sun Jul 31, 2022 4:08 pm

I could be persuaded either way.

On the one hand Putin is an athlete and someone who all his life has taken fitness seriously.

On the other hand he's a Type A personality and therefore a stress case.

In an over/under I would bet on Putin to die sooner rather than later than his nominal life expectancy.

I doubt it will happen soon enough to save Odessa, however, so it's probably irrelevant in this thread.
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