The 2024 Elections in the US, mostly Harris vs. Trump

[jusplay4fun]

I see Saxi is still confessing he doesn't know how to Google.

I won't explain these things to him.

I will sometimes post the links to make it faster for other people.

And you rarely offer links, GaryD, as you did in your last TWO posts here. Be careful, your biases are showing themselves, AGAIN.

[GaryDenton]

And your anti-Trump folks and sources (that you often do NOT cite) are always truthful and show no biases, like YOU, right, GaryD? Even if what you say is true, it does not tell the full story, either.
JP4Fun

When and why did you fall in with the constant ignorant liars? There is a difference between the Trump supporters and normal educated people. So I am always curious why someone with education is supporting the Yahoos and Clowns.

[jusplay4fun]

And your anti-Trump folks and sources (that you often do NOT cite) are always truthful and show no biases, like YOU, right, GaryD? Even if what you say is true, it does not tell the full story, either.
JP4Fun

When and why did you fall in with the constant ignorant liars? There is a difference between the Trump supporters and normal educated people. So I am always curious why someone with education is supporting the Yahoos and Clowns.

Who says I support Trump? You misread me, GaryD. I oppose one-sided lies, biased opinions peddled as the "truth" and obfuscation. Ask saxi. You are biased toward Democrats (and thus against Trump and Republicans); I have posted that more than once before today. I have not seen you deny that.

Try this:
viewtopic.php?f=8&t=238909&p=5268138&hilit=Bill+Barr#p5268138

[Pack Rat]

And your anti-Trump folks and sources (that you often do NOT cite) are always truthful and show no biases, like YOU, right, GaryD? Even if what you say is true, it does not tell the full story, either.
JP4Fun

When and why did you fall in with the constant ignorant liars? There is a difference between the Trump supporters and normal educated people. So I am always curious why someone with education is supporting the Yahoos and Clowns.

Who says I support Trump? You misread me, GaryD. I oppose one-sided lies, biased opinions peddled as the "truth" and obfuscation. Ask saxi. You are biased toward Democrats (and thus against Trump and Republicans); I have posted that more than once before today. I have not seen you deny that.

Try this:
viewtopic.php?f=8&t=238909&p=5268138&hilit=Bill+Barr#p5268138

Get off your soap box justplay4fun. You are just embarrassing yourself.

[GaryDenton]

I am not at home and should be taking a nap. But this has kept me up.

The problem in the well-researched criticisms JP4F posted all apply only to federal RICO charges. Several states have their own RICO laws and Georgia is one.
The cites posted are wrong. State RICO laws are different.

Trump and associates committed crimes and were part of an organized conspiracy. Is it an overreach to charge them under the state RICO act.

Conservatives are screaming, of course, it is.
Based on previous cases in Georgia, this doesn't look like an overreach.

This is going to be the question.

Both conservatives and liberals are not sure about the Georgia law which has been applied broadly in other cases.

I think Trump and his partners committed crimes, I am not sure this was the best way to indict him.

Here is some legal Georgia discussion.

Charging RICO here is not necessarily legal overreach. Unlike federal courts and federal RICO, Georgia’s courts have construed that state’s RICO to be very broad, applying to a wide variety of situations where multiple people get together to commit crimes...

Some of the components of the RICO charge and associated charges are also problems: they invite efforts to remove the case to federal court, and constitutional challenges over what behavior is being criminalized. The issue is not that some of the overt acts described in the indictment as part of the RICO conspiracy are not themselves illegal — that is typical in any conspiracy case. It’s that some of the acts implicate core political or speech activity in a way that Jack Smith expressly sought to avoid in his own similar federal indictment.

Most remarkably, the indictments address not just efforts to get Georgia’s executive branch officials to use their offices illegally; they also address efforts to get Georgia’s legislature to meet and cast votes purporting to certify electors for Trump. Yes, such a legislative act very likely would have been rejected by state or federal courts as unconstitutional and/or against federal law. But that’s how we deal with unconstitutional state legislation: by having the courts throw it out, not by throwing in jail the people who lobbied for it, because petitioning the legislature to legislate is a core political right.

I don’t mean to suggest that Donald Trump and his associates did not violate Georgia law. I believe they did. Many counts in this indictment are not stretches and not overcomplicated.

But that’s what has us looking so askance at this incredibly sweeping indictment: it was possible to plead this case in a narrower and simpler way that would have been more robust to legal challenges while still encompassing the core of the illegal conspiracy to steal the election. Instead, we have a case that seems designed to produce a circus — 19 defendants, 1 RICO trial — likely to drag on for years while creating lots of opportunities for attack by the defense.

https://www.serioustrouble.show/p/unfortunately-this-episode-is-rico#details

[GaryDenton]

I am sorry if I may have implied that JP4F has not also attacked extremist posts from the Right on the forums.

But he sure has turned his attacks on me lately when I got tired of the constant lies by a few being posted in this forum.

[jusplay4fun]

I am not at home and should be taking a nap. But this has kept me up.

The problem in the well-researched criticisms JP4F posted all apply only to federal RICO charges. Several states have their own RICO laws and Georgia is one.
The cites posted are wrong. State RICO laws are different.

Trump and associates committed crimes and were part of an organized conspiracy. Is it an overreach to charge them under the state RICO act.

Conservatives are screaming, of course, it is.
Based on previous cases in Georgia, this doesn't look like an overreach.

This is going to be the question.

Both conservatives and liberals are not sure about the Georgia law which has been applied broadly in other cases.

I think Trump and his partners committed crimes, I am not sure this was the best way to indict him.

Here is some legal Georgia discussion.

Charging RICO here is not necessarily legal overreach. Unlike federal courts and federal RICO, Georgia’s courts have construed that state’s RICO to be very broad, applying to a wide variety of situations where multiple people get together to commit crimes...

Some of the components of the RICO charge and associated charges are also problems: they invite efforts to remove the case to federal court, and constitutional challenges over what behavior is being criminalized. The issue is not that some of the overt acts described in the indictment as part of the RICO conspiracy are not themselves illegal — that is typical in any conspiracy case. It’s that some of the acts implicate core political or speech activity in a way that Jack Smith expressly sought to avoid in his own similar federal indictment.

Most remarkably, the indictments address not just efforts to get Georgia’s executive branch officials to use their offices illegally; they also address efforts to get Georgia’s legislature to meet and cast votes purporting to certify electors for Trump. Yes, such a legislative act very likely would have been rejected by state or federal courts as unconstitutional and/or against federal law. But that’s how we deal with unconstitutional state legislation: by having the courts throw it out, not by throwing in jail the people who lobbied for it, because petitioning the legislature to legislate is a core political right.

I don’t mean to suggest that Donald Trump and his associates did not violate Georgia law. I believe they did. Many counts in this indictment are not stretches and not overcomplicated.

But that’s what has us looking so askance at this incredibly sweeping indictment: it was possible to plead this case in a narrower and simpler way that would have been more robust to legal challenges while still encompassing the core of the illegal conspiracy to steal the election. Instead, we have a case that seems designed to produce a circus — 19 defendants, 1 RICO trial — likely to drag on for years while creating lots of opportunities for attack by the defense.

https://www.serioustrouble.show/p/unfortunately-this-episode-is-rico#details

Wrong; I did research Georgia State RICO. Read my post(s) again.

If you are going to post falsehoods, why do I need to read further?

I have already answered most of your allegations in my post on the Georgia state RICO law and I cited TWO cases already pursued by the prosecuting attorney, the DA Willis. (From my perspective, I find it interesting that the case of cheating by Atlanta school personnel [which dealt with cheating on state tests] was pursued under GA RICO Law.) You cite NO such cases. I challenged you to name a case and you have NOT done so.

Here is what I posted ALREADY, to show that GaryD posted a FALSEHOOD ("fake news") here:

Try this, which support much of what I have said:

https://www.fultongrandjury.com/conserv ... tion-fraud

and here is what I have found, so far:

“Federal RICO is a very big deal. It’s difficult to prove, and it’s used pretty sparingly. Georgia RICO is a different animal. It’s easier to prove,” said Kenneth White, a defense attorney familiar with the federal law. “The point is, it’s used very aggressively there.”

For Fulton County District Attorney Fani Willis, the law has been her calling card. The Atlanta-area prosecutor has used it in a number of high-profile cases she’s previously brought in Georgia against school officials, gangs and musicians, including the rapper Young Thug.

“The reason that I am a fan of RICO is, I think, jurors are very, very intelligent,” Willis told reporters in 2022 at a new conference about a gang-related indictment. “They want to know what happened. They want to make an accurate decision about someone’s life. And so, RICO is a tool that allows a prosecutor’s office and law enforcement to tell the whole story.”


https://www.cnn.com/2023/08/15/politics ... index.html

So far, GaryD has conjecture and NO PROOF of what he alleges.

more, from same source (CNN) cited above:
Willis’ history with RICO
Willis’ past use of the RICO law had thrust her into the national spotlight long before the conduct described in Monday’s indictment allegedly took place.

In 2015, when she was serving as an assistant district attorney in the county, Willis made headlines when she charged teachers, principals and other education officials in an Atlanta Public Schools cheating scandal.

After a 7-month trial, Willis secured convictions for 11 of the 12 defendants charged with racketeering and other crimes related to cheating that was believed to date to early 2001, when scores on statewide skills tests began to rise in the 50,000-student school district.

Last year, Willis brought RICO charges against Young Thug and the rapper Gunna, accusing them and others with conspiracy to violate the law and participation in criminal street gang activity.

Prosecutors in that case say Young Thug, whose real name is Jeffery Lamar Williams, is one of the founders of Young Slime Life (YSL), an alleged criminal street gang that began in Atlanta. The indictment, which spans nearly 100 pages, charges the musician with counts relating to gang activity and drug and firearms violations.

It includes a number of things as evidence for the defendants’ alleged crimes, including photos posted on social media as well as lyrics from some of the rapper’s popular songs – a tactic that ignited backlash from other artists.

[jusplay4fun]

I am sorry if I may have implied that JP4F has not also attacked extremist posts from the Right on the forums.

But he sure has turned his attacks on me lately when I got tired of the constant lies by a few being posted in this forum.

Which person(s) on the extremist Right have I failed to attack? ConfedSS? saxi? I do not waste my time on ALL lies and obfuscation that I read. Many, such as those by ralph, are not worth commenting on, due to several factors.

What bothers me about you, GaryD, is that you try to appear educated and thoughtful, but you are an obvious biased person with a narrow point of view. You have yet to acknowledge that bias, after I called you out on this point several times.

[saxitoxin]

Do you guys remember when I posted three videos of thousands of people cheering trump at the UI-ISU game?

And then Gary said he saw videos of people booing Trump but he couldn't post them because they were on a VHS tape his neighbor gave him and he lost the tape immediately after he watched it?

Do you guys remember that?

That was funny!

[jusplay4fun]

And your anti-Trump folks and sources (that you often do NOT cite) are always truthful and show no biases, like YOU, right, GaryD? Even if what you say is true, it does not tell the full story, either.
JP4Fun

When and why did you fall in with the constant ignorant liars? There is a difference between the Trump supporters and normal educated people. So I am always curious why someone with education is supporting the Yahoos and Clowns.

Who says I support Trump? You misread me, GaryD. I oppose one-sided lies, biased opinions peddled as the "truth" and obfuscation. Ask saxi. You are biased toward Democrats (and thus against Trump and Republicans); I have posted that more than once before today. I have not seen you deny that.

Try this:
viewtopic.php?f=8&t=238909&p=5268138&hilit=Bill+Barr#p5268138

Get off your soap box justplay4fun. You are just embarrassing yourself.

Wow, what a pitiful response. This is almost as bad as what Pack Rat posted.

[Pack Rat]

Calm down jusplay4fun. I really hope you get some sleep tonight. You being egotistical with a bruised ego is living proof, that you are unable to punch yourself out of a wet paper bag.

[saxitoxin]

The New York Times has left the reservation!

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[GaryDenton]

Sigh...

Pro-Trump User’s Fake Iowa Stadium Clip Of Wild Trump Cheers Goes Viral as MAGA Twitter Denies Booing

I posted this already. Those videos of Trump being warmly greeted were doctored,
But Saxi has some ridiculous story about VHS tapes and wrote I refused to provide a link. JP4F wrote that I am not providing links too, is it any wonder I get them and their positions confused?

The only response to this was JP4F claiming it proves my bias(?!) and Saxi with his more direct claim he didn't see the link:

I didn't see a link -- did you get the "video" via messenger pigeon on VHS?

Conservative Townhall writer John Hasson was one of the first to realize that the clip going viral on the MAGA r
Right featured audio had been altered or replaced. Republican communications veteran Matt Whitlock also noted the altered audio, and soon posted a comparison of the clips.

Read that again slowly as some people seem to have comprehension issues. These altered videos with Boos edited out were pointed out by Republicans.

https://www.mediaite.com/politics/pro-trump-users-fake-iowa-stadium-clip-of-wild-trump-cheers-goes-viral-as-maga-twitter-denies-booing/

I was supposed to be writing some notes for a lawyer on a probate case so I may not get back to this.

[GaryDenton]

Here is the recommended lawbook for state RICO cases.

https://www.americanbar.org/products/inv/book/213821/

Don't cite things that don't apply in Georgia.

[saxitoxin]

Trump is now 0.6 points ahead in the RCP polling aggregate.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epoll ... olls/2024/

Meanwhile, according to CBS News, 55% of voters believe Trump is physically healthy enough to serve as president while only 28% of voters believe Biden is. And 51% believe Trump is mentally healthy enough to serve as president while only 33% of voters believe Biden is.

[saxitoxin]

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[saxitoxin]

Trump has this election in the bag.

Time to start measuring new drapes for the Oval Office and making a list of who will be first in front of the firing squad.

[saxitoxin]

Trump did a breast signing yesterday at a bar in Pensacola!

[jusplay4fun]

Trump has this election in the bag.

Time to start measuring new drapes for the Oval Office and making a list of who will be first in front of the firing squad.

NO, it's too early AND it depends on who is the nominee of the Democrat Party.

[Pack Rat]

Trump has this election in the bag.

Time to start measuring new drapes for the Oval Office and making a list of who will be first in front of the firing squad.

NO, it's too early AND it depends on who is the nominee of the Democrat Party.

Jusplay4fun, you wouldn't know humor if it hit you in your extra chromosome, eyes wide apart and autistic face.

[saxitoxin]

Washington Post: Trump Beating Biden by 9 Points

New ABC News/WaPo poll has the dwindling and fading Democratic Party bemoaning their coming extinction in the last election of history.

Head-to-head in a hypothetical November 2024 matchup, Trump has 51% support while Biden has 42% -- numerically up 3 points for Trump and down 2 points for Biden from an ABC/Post poll in February.

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trouble ... =103436611

[saxitoxin]

No wonder Old Joe refuses to give Kennedy Secret Service protection ...

Joe Biden Faces Disastrous Defeat if RFK Jr Runs as Third Party Candidate

If the Democrats and Republicans nominate Biden and Trump respectively, and Kennedy runs as an independent, 33 percent of Democratic voters would "likely" vote for him according to the poll, including 14 percent who would be "very likely" to back him.

Among likely voters as a whole, 25 percent said they would likely vote for Kennedy if he runs against Biden and Trump, including 14 percent of Republicans, with 10 percent saying they are "very likely" to cast their ballots this way.

Had 33 percent of Biden's voters backed a third party candidate in 2020 he would have lost just under 27 million votes, easily handing Donald Trump a second term in the White House.

Kennedy has requested Secret Service protection from the president after an armed man was arrested on Friday near an event where he was speaking, whilst falsely claiming to be part of his security team. The incident took place near the Wilshire Ebell Theatre where Kennedy was delivering an address to mark Hispanic Heritage Month, less than two miles from where his father, Senator Robert F. Kennedy, was assassinated in 1968.

https://www.newsweek.com/joe-biden-face ... te-1828858

[GaryDenton]

Limited edition rainbow edition.

[saxitoxin]

Kennedy will run as an independent and will focus his campaign on attacking Old Joe.

2024 presidential candidate Robert F. Kennedy Jr. plans to announce he will run as an independent on October 9 in Pennsylvania, Mediaite has learned.

Kennedy’s campaign machine is now planning “attack ads” against the Democratic National Committee in order to “pave the way” for his announcement in Philadelphia about running as an independent, according to a text reviewed by Mediaite.

“Bobby feels that the DNC is changing the rules to exclude his candidacy so an independent run is the only way to go,” a Kennedy campaign insider told Mediaite.

https://www.mediaite.com/politics/exclu ... ndent-run/

[saxitoxin]

Cenk Uygur announces Biden will "definitely lose" to Trump.

https://www.semafor.com/article/10/11/2 ... s-democrat