What does President Trump do NOW?

[Dukasaur]

What does President Trump do NOW? Move on. There is no there there.

Epstein is a non-issue.

I really don't give a shit about the Epstein list. But it's pretty funny how fast the tune has changed. For years Republicans have been shrieking like howler monkeys, "Why doesn't Biden release the list? What is he hiding?" All those conspiracy theories -- Clinton is on the list! Hunter is on the list! Bloomberg is on the list! Seemed like the most important issue in the universe back then. And now, "Epstein is a non-issue".

Damn I almost choked on my coffee! I thought it was pretty funny how fast Trump turned a 180 on the issue, but you, JP! You used to be a fairly honest guy, but you'll flip-flop with the best of them? Interesting.

It's non-partisan to me. I'm pretty confident that both Clinton and Trump are on the list. You can definitely call it a wash. But just funny how fast you guys were shrieking, "Why doesn't Biden release the list? What is he hiding?" just a few short months ago, and now <crickets>

[jusplay4fun]

What does President Trump do NOW? Move on. There is no there there.

Epstein is a non-issue.

I really don't give a shit about the Epstein list. But it's pretty funny how fast the tune has changed. For years Republicans have been shrieking like howler monkeys, "Why doesn't Biden release the list? What is he hiding?" All those conspiracy theories -- Clinton is on the list! Hunter is on the list! Bloomberg is on the list! Seemed like the most important issue in the universe back then. And now, "Epstein is a non-issue".

Damn I almost choked on my coffee! I thought it was pretty funny how fast Trump turned a 180 on the issue, but you, JP! You used to be a fairly honest guy, but you'll flip-flop with the best of them? Interesting.

It's non-partisan to me. I'm pretty confident that both Clinton and Trump are on the list. You can definitely call it a wash. But just funny how fast you guys were shrieking, "Why doesn't Biden release the list? What is he hiding?" just a few short months ago, and now <crickets>

180? me? When did I scream for a release of Epstein list? I think you confused me with someone else Duk. I will await your evidence, but my memory says NO, I never did what you claim.

and here is what I found to CONFIRM my memory; I am responding to another sufferer of TDS, GaryD.
by jusplay4fun on Sun Jul 02, 2023 10:02 pm:

#1 I do not watch Fox News, never have.

And #2, how many right wingers do you know advocate for the facts of Climate change, as I have? Or did you MISS that?
viewtopic.php?f=8&t=236784&hilit=Global+Warming&start=175

My sense of things is that Trump realized early on that Epstein was trouble and stopped associating with him quickly. That is what I read when accusation involving Trump began to make their rounds. The SAME cannot be said of the Democrat Bill Clinton. NOTE, no denial of my allegations about Bill and Epstein by biased GaryD.

3) Trump did not become President until 2016 election, so this is a LIE by GaryD:
It was the Trump administration that granted Epstein immunity in 2008.


4) Further, Epstein was JAILED while Trump was President.

Get your FACTS straight, GaryD, before others are convinced that you LIE and Lie incessantly.

and you, Duk:

I really don't give a shit about the Epstein list.

So what does your post in this thread mean? You are trying to gas light folks? Get your story straight, Duk. I used to think you were a MOSTLY a fair guy.

And you thought a committee chairman is unbiased? TODAY, in this polarized political climate?? REALLY? I would say that is naive.

Duk said:

I was really surprised that the Chairman of a Congressional committee would use an official communique to put out a pure one-sided propaganda piece. I've never given it much thought, but I had assumed that the Chairman is supposed to be impartial, and his communiques should attempt to represent the consensus of the committee,

So, conclusion: Duk is a partisan naivate.

Duk, you have fallen in my view of your smarts. Man, I thought I could trust YOU to be unbiased. Silly me.

[Dukasaur]

and you, Duk:

I really don't give a shit about the Epstein list.

So what does your post in this thread mean?

Just having a quiet chuckle about your buddy Trump being once again proven to be a liar.

Promised to release the Epstein list. Now denies it ever existed.
Promised to end the war in Ukraine on Day 1, the war rages on.
Promised "90 deals in 90 days", has 1 done deal and a half-dozen statements of intent to make deals.
Said he would eliminate the debt, has raised the debt to record levels.
Says the U.S. has given three times as much as Europe to Ukraine, in fact Europe has given more.
Claimed blue states are passing laws to permit killing babies already born, in fact no such legislation has been passed, presented, or even suggested by anyone in those states.
Continues to insist tariffs are paid by the target nation when they are quite blatantly and excise tax on your own.
Claims that China is/was running the Panama Canal, Panama continues to run the canal, although a number of Chinese companies are involved through fairly normal commercial arrangements.
Claims the economy was in shambles when he took over, in fact it was in a boom with historically low unemployment.
Promised to make the American auto industry grow "like never before", in fact tariffs have pushed it into a significant slowdown.
Claimed the people chanting "Lock her up!" at his rallies were spontaneously coming up with the idea and he never suggested it, in fact he led the chants many, many times before his groupies learned to chant without prompting.
Promised to lower the price of groceries, in fact they continue to rise


It just goes on and on.

[jusplay4fun]

Anyone who knows Trump knows that he:

1) says a LOT, and

2) brags a Lot.

Trump is being Trump and GOT lots done already and continues to get LOTS done. Just ask Saxi.

What did Biden DO?......crickets. Right, Brandon? Hide. Have his aides use an Auto-Pen, Eat ice cream, fall off a bike, fall going up and down stairs to Air Force One. Oh, he read a few speeches and avoided TALKING to MOST reporters. Did he sign a few E.O.? and a few bills? in 4 years? All how many months are we into Trump's second term? ALMOST 6 months. Weigh that comparison.

And Kamala....? any one care? Willie Brown?

[Dukasaur]

Trump is being Trump and GOT lots done already and continues to get LOTS done.

Yeah, he destroyed tens of thousands of people's lives in private life, and now that he's president he can up his game and destroy hundreds of thousands of people's lives! With a bit of effort, might get it into the millions! High acheiver!

[jusplay4fun]

Trump is being Trump and GOT lots done already and continues to get LOTS done.

Yeah, he destroyed tens of thousands of people's lives in private life, and now that he's president he can up his game and destroy hundreds of thousands of people's lives! With a bit of effort, might get it into the millions! High acheiver!

What you call

destroy hundreds of thousands of people's lives

is, imo, an attempt to LIMIT and even reduce the size of the Federal Government. The SCOTUS, at least in it ruling very recently, allowed Trump to SEEK to reduce the Federal work force. Most who have been let go were those recently hired ("probationary", the most vulnerable in ANY organization or corporation (most of the time).

The Federal Government is bloated and has MUCH TOO many people. I think nearly all agree on that point. The disagreements occur over WHICH ones or which Departments take the biggest hits. I think the DoD (Defense, or what I have been calling Deterrence) took FEW if any "hits" or losses. I am sure DHS took the same level of zero or nearly zero. I assume that more judges for immigration issues will be hired to clear much of the backlog of immigrants filing cases, especially for exemptions and are subject to deportation.

I have addressed the issue of WORK requirements for able bodied person for Medicaid. THAT is needed, to keep that program solvent LONGER. I assume that there are similar work requirements for SNAP, what most in the US still call "Food Stamps." tbf, I have not researched that issue.The bbb is some 900 pages and I do not plan on Reading that entire bill. So the disruptions that Liberal Democrats SCREAM about are again requirements to WORK, if able and MANY, including those taking care of young children and those with medically legitimate disabilities, are exempted.

I posted that my relative working in the Police Department in my area often had to interview folks at a crime scene. Where the really poor live, often in run-down trailer parks, nearly ALL CLAIMED a disability to get a "Gobament" check. I referenced how the poor were given aid in ancient Israel: they had to GLEAN the fields to earn their "daily bread." They did not sit around waiting for a donkey to deliver a sack of surplus grain from their "Gobament." And it was not baked bread; they still had to do that WORK. I see that as a good way to treat the poor and help them. Give the poor a Hand UP and NOT a hand OUT.

[Dukasaur]

Trump is being Trump and GOT lots done already and continues to get LOTS done.

Yeah, he destroyed tens of thousands of people's lives in private life, and now that he's president he can up his game and destroy hundreds of thousands of people's lives! With a bit of effort, might get it into the millions! High acheiver!

What you call

destroy hundreds of thousands of people's lives

is, imo, an attempt to LIMIT and even reduce the size of the Federal Government. The SCOTUS, at least in it ruling very recently, allowed Trump to SEEK to reduce the Federal work force. Most who have been let go were those recently hired ("probationary", the most vulnerable in ANY organization or corporation (most of the time).

You assume too much. That wasn't what I was referring to. (Plus, you're factually wrong. There is NO attempt to limit or reduce the size the size of the Federal Government. The layoffs in some areas are more than compensated by the increase in the bloat of the war budget and the domestic deportation budget. In broad strokes, it's changing priorities from helping people to hurting people.)

First and foremost, I was referring to the hundreds of thousands of hardworking immigrants ripped from their jobs, their families, and their communities. That is happening, and you do not dispute it. (Even you have admitted that the majority of the immigrants targeted are good, heardworking people, and not rapists and murderers as Trump calls them.)

Secondly, I was thinking about all the hundreds of thousands being destroyed in Middle Eastern violence ever since Trump tore up the peace agreement with Iran in 2018, an action he has now doubled-down on by encouraging Nutty Yahoo to escalate the war. Also indisputable.

Just as a (mostly) distraction:

I am sure DHS took the same level of zero or nearly zero. I assume that more judges for immigration issues will be hired to clear much of the backlog of immigrants filing cases, especially for exemptions and are subject to deportation.

From a fairly reliable source:
https://federalnewsnetwork.com/budget/2025/07/dhs-prepares-for-unprecedented-spending-surge-under-big-beautiful-bill/

The bill includes $4.1 billion for CBP to hire 5,000 customs officers and 3,000 border patrol agents over the next four years. It also includes $2 billion for annual retention or signing bonuses at CBP, as well as $600 million for recruiting, hiring and retention initiatives.

As for ICE, the bill allocates $8 billion to hire 10,000 new officers through 2029. It also includes $858 million for ICE retention and signing bonuses and $600 million to support marketing, recruiting and onboarding programs.

DHS says it is now offering ICE and Border Patrol agents $10,000 signing bonuses.

The bill would also bolster DHS’s Federal Law Enforcement Training Centers, or FLETC. It includes $285 million for FLETC to train newly hired DHS law enforcement personnel, as well as $465 million to make improvements at FLETC facilities.

The Secret Service will also receive $1.17 billion over the next four years to its training facilities and technology.

The bill also allocates tens of billions of dollars in procurement, construction and grant spending that will flow through DHS in the coming years. That includes:

$45 billion for the construction of new immigration detention centers, including family detention facilities,
$50 billion for the border wall and border security technologies,
$813 million for CBP patrol vehicles,
$700 million for IT investments at ICE,
nearly $25 billion for Coast Guard to invest in shipbuilding, aircraft and facilities maintenance.

No mention of judges. $45 billion for concentration camps, however. Lots of space for hundreds of thousands of previously-productive people to sit useless while they wait for their case to be not-heard.