jusplay4fun wrote:bigtoughralf wrote:Dukasaur wrote:bigtoughralf wrote:I mean I've said in this forum more than once that the dropping of the a-bombs and the gratuitous bombing of civilians in Europe were awful. 'It's a war' isn't an excuse to do literally anything that pops into your head. Most of the world also believes that, which is why pretty much immediately after WW2 the Geneva Conventions were signed, to try and prevent similar atrocities being carried out in any future conflicts.
I could quibble with details of what you said, but in broad strokes you're not wrong. It is really unfortunate that Nutty Yahoo has so mismanaged public opinion and squandered the goodwill Israel had from the original Hamas invasion. There should have been a plan from the beginning for evacuating non-combatants wherever possible, including feeding them, etc. I know the military principle is not to allow supplies in because they may fall into the hands of the enemy, but plans for feeding people without letting supplies just flutter away should have been designed.
ikr. In October people were feeling sorry for Israel after it got attacked, and now 5-6 months later we're watching it commit a genocide and make itself even more alienated than it was before. The Israeli government just has absolutely no idea how to behave like a good guy.
ralph calls the civilian shield used by Hamas fighters as victims of a genocide. MORE LIES. This is simply more hyperbole from the one who sees NO wrong committed by anything Hamas does.
ralph is wrong, again.
Yeah, he's wrong about it being a genocide. That much is hyperbole. And yes, the mean reason for the high civilian casualties is that the enemy uses them as human shield.
HOWEVER, there is a real problem there, aside from all that, and the food shipments are the biggest part of it. A military force does have a moral responsibility to make sure that basics like food, water, and shelter are available to non-combatants. Maybe not in the moment-by-moment progress of a military operation, but definitely in the long run.
Even more importantly, in political terms. Not everyone in Gaza was a Hamas supporter: exact numbers are hard to get, but one report I read claimed that about 40% of Gaza residents opposed Hamas. Fanning the flames of anti-Hamas support in the community would be a key element in any intelligent occupation plan, but that would involve at least some effort to be seen as liberators and not invaders.