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mrswdk wrote:For those who believe in Christianity:
In all the Bible stuff about the Garden of Eden, why is Satan the bad guy for getting Eve to eat from the Tree of Knowledge? Like, surely if God is trying to keep humans ignorant while Satan is trying to educate them then Satan is the good guy?
Or is the Bible saying that greater authorities should control the flow of information to those they govern, and that it is wrong (perhaps even harmful) for the governed to be shown all the unfiltered facts of the world around them?
jonesthecurl wrote:I never understood how they were supposed to know it was wrong before eating the fruit which made them know right from wrong...
jonesthecurl wrote:But how were they supposed to know it was wrong to disobey?
DoomYoshi wrote:There is no sin mentioned in the Genesis account. Sin was only ascribed to that action later. Rather, there was an account of "you didn't listen to me so you are getting punished". They weren't being punished for sin per se (because they didn't have knowledge of good and evil) but for disobedience.
The point of the story is not "sin is bad" but rather that "disobedience is sin".
Dukasaur wrote:saxitoxin wrote:taking medical advice from this creature; a morbidly obese man who is 100% convinced he willed himself into becoming a woman.
Your obsession with mrswdk is really sad.
ConfederateSS wrote:Just because people are idiots... Doesn't make them wrong.
DoomYoshi wrote:They didn't have knowledge of good or evil, but they had a choice between the words of God and the words of the Serpent. They chose the words of the Serpent (who did apparently have knowledge of evil). After they had knowledge of good and evil, they each tried to deflect blame (Adam blamed his wife and Eve blamed the serpent).
However, your entire question misses a crucial point because of thousands of years of Christian theology. There is no sin mentioned in the Genesis account. Sin was only ascribed to that action later. Rather, there was an account of "you didn't listen to me so you are getting punished". They weren't being punished for sin per se (because they didn't have knowledge of good and evil) but for disobedience.
The point of the story is not "sin is bad" but rather that "disobedience is sin".
Dukasaur wrote:jonesthecurl wrote:But how were they supposed to know it was wrong to disobey?
It's the core statement of religion. They weren't supposed to know anything. Knowing is called science. Religion is a state of believing without any evidence ""
DoomYoshi wrote:However, your entire question misses a crucial point because of thousands of years of Christian theology. There is no sin mentioned in the Genesis account.
They weren't being punished for sin per se (because they didn't have knowledge of good and evil) but for disobedience.
The point of the story is not "sin is bad" but rather that "disobedience is sin".
jonesthecurl wrote:DoomYoshi wrote:They didn't have knowledge of good or evil, but they had a choice between the words of God and the words of the Serpent. They chose the words of the Serpent (who did apparently have knowledge of evil). After they had knowledge of good and evil, they each tried to deflect blame (Adam blamed his wife and Eve blamed the serpent).
However, your entire question misses a crucial point because of thousands of years of Christian theology. There is no sin mentioned in the Genesis account. Sin was only ascribed to that action later. Rather, there was an account of "you didn't listen to me so you are getting punished". They weren't being punished for sin per se (because they didn't have knowledge of good and evil) but for disobedience.
The point of the story is not "sin is bad" but rather that "disobedience is sin".
So they were supposed to know what "sin" was before they could distinguish good from evil?
mrswdk wrote:DoomYoshi wrote:However, your entire question misses a crucial point because of thousands of years of Christian theology. There is no sin mentioned in the Genesis account.
There was no sin mentioned in my OP.They weren't being punished for sin per se (because they didn't have knowledge of good and evil) but for disobedience.
The point of the story is not "sin is bad" but rather that "disobedience is sin".
My original question still stands. Why is God (who hid knowledge) the good guy and Satan (who gave knowledge) the bad guy? Making a rule means God is the good guy?
DoomYoshi wrote:That statement was addressed to you. Satan didn't actually give knowledge. He gave fake news. All the knowledge was God's, who also gave science and understanding to man (he let him name all the animals for example). It's not like this is knowledge of physics or math we are talking about. It wasn't agricultural or meteorological or useful knowledge. It's knowledge of good and evil, the squishy philosophies. The evil is things like censorship and political correctness.
2dimes wrote:First and I don't know why DoomYoshi is not sharing this..
Satan did not really show up in the bible until Chronicles? He only really got rolling when he shows up in Job. God asks, "Where were you?" He says, "Oh roaming about the earth." So... wanna make a bet?
Second it's not a matter of teaching you to blindly obey people. It's more about warning that you should choose to do the right thing or sin will ruin everything. Many church leaders for different reasons can't be trusted but that is neither supported or opposed by the serpent tricking Adam and Eve into gaining knowledge.
They were innocent like children. You tell a five year old, "Don't cross the busy street without an adult." Or "Don't eat too much candy." It's to protect them, not to prevent them from going to the store for a candy feast because you are oppressing them for fun.
If some stranger says, "Go ahead and cross the street. Pedestrians have the right away. The cars have to stop." Who is the "good guy"?
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