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DoomYoshi wrote:You might be thinking "ok, smartass, those observations are your reason". However, if two people have the same observations, there is slim to no chance of them taking the same actions, proving that if they are "reasons" then they are unreasonable reasons.
notyou2 wrote:Get a new job. One that doesn't involve police work.
waauw wrote:DoomYoshi wrote:You might be thinking "ok, smartass, those observations are your reason". However, if two people have the same observations, there is slim to no chance of them taking the same actions, proving that if they are "reasons" then they are unreasonable reasons.
Do elaborate.
notyou2 wrote:Get a new job. One that doesn't involve police work.
mrswdk wrote:How do you know that things fall on the floor because of gravity?
DoomYoshi wrote:waauw wrote:DoomYoshi wrote:You might be thinking "ok, smartass, those observations are your reason". However, if two people have the same observations, there is slim to no chance of them taking the same actions, proving that if they are "reasons" then they are unreasonable reasons.
Do elaborate.
Example of Observation - the floor was dirty
Example of Action - I mopped it
Other example of Action - I got someone else to mop it
Third example of Action - I ignored it because that's not my job to care about the floor
Both actions come from the same "reason", which is the observation that the floor is dirty. However, the floor being dirty can't in any way be said to be the reason for the mopping of the floor. Some guys decide "I'm going to mop the floor tonight" without even checking whether or not it is dirty (it usually is).
waauw wrote:DoomYoshi wrote:waauw wrote:DoomYoshi wrote:You might be thinking "ok, smartass, those observations are your reason". However, if two people have the same observations, there is slim to no chance of them taking the same actions, proving that if they are "reasons" then they are unreasonable reasons.
Do elaborate.
Example of Observation - the floor was dirty
Example of Action - I mopped it
Other example of Action - I got someone else to mop it
Third example of Action - I ignored it because that's not my job to care about the floor
Both actions come from the same "reason", which is the observation that the floor is dirty. However, the floor being dirty can't in any way be said to be the reason for the mopping of the floor. Some guys decide "I'm going to mop the floor tonight" without even checking whether or not it is dirty (it usually is).
So you're stating the floor is more of a trigger to the reason?
DoomYoshi wrote:waauw wrote:DoomYoshi wrote:You might be thinking "ok, smartass, those observations are your reason". However, if two people have the same observations, there is slim to no chance of them taking the same actions, proving that if they are "reasons" then they are unreasonable reasons.
Do elaborate.
Example of Observation - the floor was dirty
Example of Action - I mopped it
Other example of Action - I got someone else to mop it
Third example of Action - I ignored it because that's not my job to care about the floor
Both actions come from the same "reason", which is the observation that the floor is dirty. However, the floor being dirty can't in any way be said to be the reason for the mopping of the floor. Some guys decide "I'm going to mop the floor tonight" without even checking whether or not it is dirty (it usually is).notyou2 wrote:Get a new job. One that doesn't involve police work.
Why do you say that? The police follow the same rules. The other night I had to actually report a drunk in the ditch and the cop showed up and told the tow truck driver to take him (and his car) home. Since he was already in the ditch, he couldn't prove that he was driving. Causality is very important in police work and they probably appreciate how impossible it is. Police deal with both kinds of causality though, motive and cause-effect.
DoomYoshi wrote:People don't want real reasons. They want facts
DoomYoshi wrote:Example of Observation - the floor was dirty
Example of Action - I mopped it
Other example of Action - I got someone else to mop it
Third example of Action - I ignored it because that's not my job to care about the floor
riskllama wrote:Koolbak wins this thread.
KoolBak wrote:Sounds like you don't have enough actual work to do.
DoomYoshi wrote:At work, I have to record my actions, and the reasons I took for those actions. Like with all things, this immediately leads to an existential crisis.
I can write down things that are "Facts". I can write down what I observe (or perceive) and I can write down the actions I take in response to those observations. However, to provide a reason for those actions would be impossible.
You might be thinking "ok, smartass, those observations are your reason". However, if two people have the same observations, there is slim to no chance of them taking the same actions, proving that if they are "reasons" then they are unreasonable reasons.
This leads down the rabbit hole to cause-and-effect thinking on a broader scale, which is one of those fundamental philosophical questions. What does it mean that a causes b?
I have been considering the alphabet. If I were in the alphabet, I could very well determine that b follows a. Within the context of the alphabet I could never disprove that b follows a. Applying the principle of parsimony makes it likely that some living in that world would suggest that a causes b (or perhaps that c causes b for those contrarians who say you can read an alphabet both ways). So, here is my question - how can you know that a causes b?
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