Islam Versus Nazism

[2dimes]

The Coran is not a book of hate. Some muslim currents and the way they interpret the Coran are.

As Duk is suggesting there are specific parts of the book that call for an ultimatum. A foreigner in your lands must either convert or at very least pay tribute to the prophet. Other wise they must be killed to the very last one.

To deny that is a second thing directed by the prophet, "peace be upon him."

As some will try to suggest that type of thing is also pretty clearly in the Old Testament.

The difference is the Old Testament is a translation of the Torah, which was directions for specific people, to kill other specific people before their temple was destroyed making it impossible to go there to sacrifice a bird to pay for your sin.

The book you speak of is a translation of directions for the future. Ask any Muslim, you cannot get the full understanding of Islam unless you know Arabic and have the right Imam.

On the other hand you only get a full understanding of Yeshua by loving everyone, even your enemies. Regardless of what some falsely teach launguage is not a barrier. It's not impossible, but often it seems like it is. Many claiming to be his followers are lying, back to Hitler, he was at some points a church goer. All of us humans are hypocrites sometimes.

[mrswdk]

Kind of like how Obama preached universal values of human rights, tolerance and respect between nations while at the same time assassinating hundreds and thousands of people deemed to be enemies of the USA and funding civil wars to overthrow governments he didn't like.

Apparently the ability to hold two opposing points of view in one's head at any given moment is the mark of a genius. Guess that makes Obama a genius.

[2dimes]

Pro tip: The president is a puppet. Congrats on being distracted by the show.

[tzor]

islam is the root of all evil

No, that's backwards. Evil is the root of all evil. Evil is the root of all Really Bad Things.

Evil uses lots of things to achieve its end. Islam is used by evil, not the other way around. The very nature of Islam (which means Submission) implies that it can be a tool for those who seek to increase their own power at the expense of everyone else.

Never the less, while it can be argued that a significant amount of Islam was devised to support evil, Islam in and of itself is not evil. There is a good reason for this, evil rarely promotes itself - that would be competition. Instead evil promotes "useless idiots" who follow the evil ones orders without question, even at their own expense. Islam is well suited to this task. Without such people promoting the "useless idiots" it is possible that the masses can become quite neutral, but rarely "good." (The Islamic Mother Theresa caring for the poorest among the infidels is probably a heretic.)

[2dimes]

Mark your calendars kiddies. Jan 08, 2018 dimes heartily agreed with tzor.

It has happened before, it will happen again, but it's an occasion.

[GoranZ]

Islam isn't evil... extremists are evil. I know a lot of muslim moderate friends that are as concerned as ourselves by these djihadists and islamist nazis. And those extremists kill the moderate muslims as well.
Just understand where to draw the line goran, stop putting everyone in the same bag.

I have one problem with this... Lets enlist countries with Muslim majority population where other religions(or atheists) can coexist without violence. Bosnia(the part with predominantly muslim population), Malaysia and I believe I reach the end of my list. How many countries are with majority Muslim population? The tolerance percentage is bellow 10%, that's extremely low compared to other religions. If there are moderate muslims they are not enough, or better said they are not in power in their own countries. This is the reason I put them all in one bag, If I was putting them in separate the one with moderates would have been tiny.

The things to be more interesting when Muslim countries cut off heads from Atheists their population is openly celebrating, but when a newspaper in Non-Muslim country publishes a portrait from the prophet Mohamed then the same people express their rage. Double standards?
The Christians were doing the same few centuries ago but the moderates won the battle for the truth. After WW2 it appeared that moderate Muslims were on the right path to achieve the same(Gamal Abdel Nasser was openly mocking the Burka on national radio), but now its more then obvious that the moderates have totally lost the battle.

Islam isn't evil... extremists are evil. I know a lot of muslim moderate friends that are as concerned as ourselves by these djihadists and islamist nazis. And those extremists kill the moderate muslims as well.
Just understand where to draw the line goran, stop putting everyone in the same bag.

Islam is evil. That doesn't mean that all Muslims are evil. There are, as you say, moderate Muslims that have never hurt anyone. Of course there are, there's no debate about that. But Islam from the first was designed to justify a bloody war of conquest by Mohammed and his followers. Of course there are Muslims who choose to disobey, to turn a blind eye to Mohammed's commandment to ruthlessly strike at unbelievers. There were Communists who chose to disobey Stalin and not sell their neighbours to the NKVD. There were Nazis who chose to disobey Hitler and who hid Jews and helped them escape. The existence of good people who will let their conscience triumph over their allegiance to an evil empire is something we can all be thankful for. Man's basic goodness will shine through despite evil government, but that does not make the government less evil.

Mohammed was a ruthless conqueror who fully intended to subjugate every man, woman and child on earth to his bloodthirsty rule. You know some good Muslims who have never beheaded an unbeliever? Good for you! I know some good Communists who never sent anyone to the Gulag. Good people are good people, regardless of what evil empire they've been hoodwinked into serving. That doesn't make the empire itself less evil.

I m pretty surprised by how stupid your answer is.
The Coran is not a book of hate. Some muslim currents and the way they interpret the Coran are. The problem is that islam is suffering from all these currents, 40 years ago the religion was nothing like that.
If Mahomet was just a bloodthirsty conqueror, he wouldn t have that much followers on all continents.

I am pretty surprised by how ignorant of history your answer is. There is not a single nation on earth that was peacefully converted to Islam. Every single majority-Muslim nation is a place that at one time or other was conquered by the Arabs (or by the Turks in a few cases, or by Malay slave traders serving Arab masters in some cases) and forcibly subjugated. The Muslims of today are people whose ancestors at one time or another felt a scimitar at their throat and converted.

Now, I won't pretend this is unique in history. The Saxons are Christians because their ancestors felt Charlemagne's sword at their throats. Forcible conversion was the primary means by which religions spread in older times. But Islam is the last religion that still practises this strategy today.

Spot on Dukasaur

[tzor]

I have one problem with this... Lets enlist countries with Muslim majority population where other religions(or atheists) can coexist without violence.

But I have a problem with your argument. Saudi Arabia has sent a ton of money to promote their sects in Muslim Majority countries (take Indonesia for example). There is a tendency to think of all these nations in isolation, but they are not.

Now having said that, once Islam gets the solid majority it wants to impose its law upon everybody. Islam is "submission" and if you want to live as a second class person who can't legally defend themselves against any believer who doesn't like you on a particular day, well then peace and happiness can be yours, providing you pay the tax.

It also has a hangup against polytheism and it considers Christianity a multiple god worshiper (mentioning the fact that the trinity is one God will only stir them to violence). It also has a plethora of hangups with everything not Islamic, drinking, dogs, and pork products among them but having women expose their hair in public is (well everything to them is) a capital offense.

[DoomYoshi]

Love of money is the root of all evil.

[mrswdk]

Love of money is the root of all evil.

*quote about how jobs are stupid because life is for living*

[DoomYoshi]

Love of money is the root of all evil.

*quote about how jobs are stupid because life is for living*

The only true vocations are gentleman and subsistence farming. Everything else is garbage. Learn to #marxism.

[mrswdk]

Marx fellated pigs.

[tzor]

Love of money is the root of all evil.

That's not true. I love money and I'm not evil.

What's not to love about that note?

That might get ConfederateSS's heart pounding.

And my favorite two dollar bill.

[2dimes]

You're like a three dollar bill?

[DoomYoshi]

I'm not so sure that quote refers to Numismatics.

[armati]

The governor of the Bank of England (BoE), Mark Carney, has just declared that the BoE is seriously considering introducing an official cryptocurrency in 2018 already and also that the BoE is in discussion with other central banks on this matter. The BoE has worked on this project since 2015. The technology was tested satisfactorily in the summer of 2017 according to Carney. He stated: It is a most interesting application that is beneficial for financial stability and efficiency. He said: “We are on the case.” It obviously has nothing to do with financial stability since another fiat currency, this time electronic, can only very temporarily conceal that the world is bankrupt.

So it is clear that central banks are already on the case for some time and see official cryptos as a solution to the global debt problem as well as the perfect way to control money. Through manipulation they can easily create unlimited cryptos and hype the value. They can also electronically totally control individuals’ money and their transactions. This is the perfect Big Brother system and thus another frightening attempt to severely limit the money and freedom of individuals.

[mookiemcgee]

It obviously has nothing to do with financial stability since another fiat currency, this time electronic, can only very temporarily conceal that the world is bankrupt.

So what does it actually mean to you that "the world is bankrupt"? It's a statement that is pretty weighed down in being abjectly impossible. Are you trying to say we borrow too much money from one and other? Or that the world no longer has natural resources of any value? It's such a ridiculously broad statement, and nothing else you wrote gives it any gravitas.

[DoomYoshi]

Two biggest problems with cryptocurrency:
1) they are a type of fiat currency; they should be tied to real-value. For example, you could buy and trade galaxies as a type of cryptocurrency.
2) 97% of investors are men; that shows that it is inherently risky and therefore stupid. For example, 97% of people who blow themselves up after saying "watch this" are also men.

[armati]

Israel Considers Its Own Cryptocurrency: The Crypto-Shekel – Cryptovest
https://cryptovest.com/news/israel-cons ... to-shekel/

Vladimir Putin Looks to Develop a New Cryptocurrency — the …
https://futurism.com/vladimir-putin-dev ... ptorouble/

[armati]

@ mookiemcgee

Economics works the same way for nations as it does for individuals,companies,counties,states etc.

When debt is high enough that not even the interest on the debt can be paid....you busted.

[armati]

U.S. debt 20,503,414,309,426+
total gdp 18.57 trillion USD = busted

See why they print print print print print?
What happens when a currency is printed to oblivion? I will let you look that one up yourself.

So....where we being taken?....cryptos...dont ya wish ya woulda bought bitcoin @ $3.00
Yup, everyone has a good ol feeling about cryptos.

All the christians gonna support Israel and their crypto, the rest of the world gonna follow the greatest leader of our time Putin.

Its crypto we going, and why?

"They can also electronically totally control individuals’ money and their transactions".

That my friend....makes you a slave.

Whats funny, is people will argue against that.

[mookiemcgee]

U.S. debt 20,503,414,309,426+
total gdp 18.57 trillion USD = busted

See why they print print print print print?
What happens when a currency is printed to oblivion? I will let you look that one up yourself.

So....where we being taken?....cryptos...dont ya wish ya woulda bought bitcoin @ $3.00
Yup, everyone has a good ol feeling about cryptos.

All the christians gonna support Israel and their crypto, the rest of the world gonna follow the greatest leader of our time Putin.

Its crypto we going, and why?

"They can also electronically totally control individuals’ money and their transactions".

First of all the banks already use electronic technology and already control everyones money. So it kinda sounds like you are worried that someday soon the present will happen.

Secondly,you said the world, but only name one country. And it's the country that pays the lowest interest on it debt in the world....:

"as of the end of July, 27.6% of the debt (about $5.48 trillion) is owed to another arm of the federal government itself. The single biggest creditors, in fact, are Social Security’s two trust funds, which together held more than $2.9 trillion in special non-traded Treasury securities, or 14.7% of the total debt. (Social Security revenues exceeded benefit payments for many years; the surplus was required by law to be invested in Treasuries.) Another big holder: the Federal Reserve system, which as of early August collectively held nearly $2.5 trillion worth of Treasuries, or 12.4% of the total debt. (The Fed’s holdings are included in the “debt held by public” category.)

Largely because of the Federal Reserve’s previous efforts to keep interest rates low during and after the Great Recession, the U.S. government is paying historically low rates on its debt. In fiscal 2016, according to the Treasury Department, the average interest rate on the public debt was 2.232%; while the Fed has begun nudging rates higher, the average interest rate in July was still just 2.279%. Though you might think such low rates would put off investors, U.S. government debt is considered to carry very little risk, and historically demand for it has remained strong. But the looming debt-ceiling crisis may be changing that dynamic, especially for short-term securities.

BONUS FACT: Though many people may believe that “China owns our debt,” as of June (the latest month available), mainland China only held about 5.8% of the total debt, or about $1.15 trillion. (Hong Kong, a “special administrative region” of China, held another $202.6 billion.) China was the top foreign holder of Treasury securities, ahead of Japan, which held just under $1.1 trillion."

[armati]

lol. as I said, people argue the point.

Try it this way, example, you earn $1 a year, you owe more than that say $1.29 (give you a break and forget unfunded liabilities) how longs it take ya to pay it off?
remember, you owe interest to the people that give you the "digits" (central banks)

We are in a fractional reserve system, we pay interest on ALL created currency, when we create currency to pay any portion of debt off, we owe interest on it, we can never be out of debt.

The very last pce of privacy we have is..............cash.
We are spied upon constantly, our phones,pewters,TVs,cameras on the streets,cameras in stores,even our appliances are being made "smart" now.

When we go 100% digital, you my friend, will not be able to withdraw save or spend or on what, without permission.
PERMISSION!!!........thats slavery.

You can dress the pig up any way you want with this guy owes that guy and its all the same thing round and round all ya want, but when we go 100% digital, its slavery no matter how you look at it.

Australian Banks Reportedly Freeze Accounts Of Bitcoin Users | Zero ...
https://www.zerohedge.com/.../australia ... bitcoin-us

The point here? They can do it, when ever they want.(Ever hear of the swift system?)

Cyprus Withdrawals Limited To 300 Euros Per Day; No Checks ...
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/cy ... 65268.html

In this example the bank is telling people how much of their own cash they are allowed to have. ALLOWED to have. permission.

List is on and on, you dont even have access to your money ("digits") without permission.

To deny it is simply stup.....naive.


Im sure you dont give a darn,slavery is such an easy way to live and all, but if a person wanted to oppose it, they would use cash for everything they could.

They would take all their expenses in cash from the bank and pay cash.
obviously,rent,heat,light,taxes etc would stay automatic payments, Im talking about gas,food,bus tickets,cigarettes,movies,restraunts etc etc

They would only do business with companies that use cash.


But, most people dont like to think, thinking is hard, so they will prefer slavery.
Its so much easier to have other people think for us.

And whats really funny, they wont even know they are slaves.

The "owners" George Carlin told people about, have mastered the art of ownership. lol

[2dimes]

Two biggest problems with cryptocurrency:
1) they are a type of fiat currency; they should be tied to real-value. For example, you could buy and trade galaxies as a type of cryptocurrency.
2) 97% of investors are men; that shows that it is inherently risky and therefore stupid. For example, 97% of people who blow themselves up after saying "watch this" are also men.

Sounds like the Canadian dollar to me.

I can't believe physical currency has lasted this long. I thought it would be gone at least a decade ago. You could have lived on debit and automatic deposit to your bank since 1994. I lost a hundred bucks betting about it. I don't know where Gus is so I don't have to pay up. If I see him I might offer him an electronic transfer.

[Dukasaur]

lol. as I said, people argue the point.

Try it this way, example, you earn $1 a year, you owe more than that say $1.29 (give you a break and forget unfunded liabilities) how longs it take ya to pay it off?
remember, you owe interest to the people that give you the "digits" (central banks)

We are in a fractional reserve system, we pay interest on ALL created currency, when we create currency to pay any portion of debt off, we owe interest on it, we can never be out of debt.

The very last pce of privacy we have is..............cash.
We are spied upon constantly, our phones,pewters,TVs,cameras on the streets,cameras in stores,even our appliances are being made "smart" now.

When we go 100% digital, you my friend, will not be able to withdraw save or spend or on what, without permission.
PERMISSION!!!........thats slavery.

You can dress the pig up any way you want with this guy owes that guy and its all the same thing round and round all ya want, but when we go 100% digital, its slavery no matter how you look at it.

Australian Banks Reportedly Freeze Accounts Of Bitcoin Users | Zero ...
https://www.zerohedge.com/.../australia ... bitcoin-us

The point here? They can do it, when ever they want.(Ever hear of the swift system?)

Cyprus Withdrawals Limited To 300 Euros Per Day; No Checks ...
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/cy ... 65268.html

In this example the bank is telling people how much of their own cash they are allowed to have. ALLOWED to have. permission.

List is on and on, you dont even have access to your money ("digits") without permission.

To deny it is simply stup.....naive.


Im sure you dont give a darn,slavery is such an easy way to live and all, but if a person wanted to oppose it, they would use cash for everything they could.

They would take all their expenses in cash from the bank and pay cash.
obviously,rent,heat,light,taxes etc would stay automatic payments, Im talking about gas,food,bus tickets,cigarettes,movies,restraunts etc etc

They would only do business with companies that use cash.


But, most people dont like to think, thinking is hard, so they will prefer slavery.
Its so much easier to have other people think for us.

And whats really funny, they wont even know they are slaves.

The "owners" George Carlin told people about, have mastered the art of ownership. lol

You're trying to redefine slavery as "being dependant on outside services."

By that token, you are a slave to the sanitation department. You should go out in the back yard and bury your own shit instead of being dependent on the city to take it away. Who knows when some rogue mayor will decide to flex his muscles and make your pipes back up?

You are a slave to the hydro company. If you want to be free, you should build a windmill and make your own electricity.

You are a slave to the internet companies. You should train pigeons to bring your messages to us.

Using the services of the banks to make our life more convenient is no more a form of slavery than those other examples I've given. I go through the drive-through, I grab my coffee, I pass my card over the chip-reader. It's faster and more efficient than counting change. Not much faster and more efficient, might only save 5 seconds on each stop, but 5 seconds here and 5 seconds there really adds up over the course of a lifetime. Yeah, they can track my transactions, but what will they learn that they couldn't learn through other means?

800 years ago, only the very rich had bedrooms. The poor lived in the common hall of their lord's manor, fucked their wives and beat their kids in full view of all their neighbours, and everybody knew everybody else's business. Even 50 years ago, there was one TV in the house, the kids had to watch what their parents were watching or go fly a kite. Today every kid has their own little tablet, their parents and their neighbours haven't got a clue what they're watching. The internet company and the NSA might, but they don't give a shit. As long as you're not planning on blowing up the White House, nobody gives a shit that you're jerking off while reading Oedipus Rex.

What privacies we have lost have had no pushback because they're so convenient. I buy Piller's pepperettes, I swipe my grocery store's loyalty card. Over time, they figure out I prefer Piller's and they send me coupons for $1 Off more Piller's products. The benefit is all mine. You say I'm a slave, I say I just saved a dollar. You say I'm giving up free information about myself and I say, if someone out there gets a woody about finding out that I prefer Piller's, let him! There's no tangible loss to me. Schneider's may be bumming, but Schneider's deserves to be bumming. Their prices go up and their quality goes down, and all their propaganda about what a traditional mom-and-pop meat packing outfit they are is pure lies. They're union-busting parasites, the last member of the family that worked on the line died 60 years ago, and their sausages are made from polluted lakes.

Anything that could tangibly hurt me, they could find out from old-fashioned methods of surveillance.

[mookiemcgee]

lol. as I said, people argue the point.

Try it this way, example, you earn $1 a year, you owe more than that say $1.29 (give you a break and forget unfunded liabilities) how longs it take ya to pay it off?
remember, you owe interest to the people that give you the "digits" (central banks)

We are in a fractional reserve system, we pay interest on ALL created currency, when we create currency to pay any portion of debt off, we owe interest on it, we can never be out of debt.

The very last pce of privacy we have is..............cash.
We are spied upon constantly, our phones,pewters,TVs,cameras on the streets,cameras in stores,even our appliances are being made "smart" now.

When we go 100% digital, you my friend, will not be able to withdraw save or spend or on what, without permission.
PERMISSION!!!........thats slavery.

You can dress the pig up any way you want with this guy owes that guy and its all the same thing round and round all ya want, but when we go 100% digital, its slavery no matter how you look at it.

Australian Banks Reportedly Freeze Accounts Of Bitcoin Users | Zero ...
https://www.zerohedge.com/.../australia ... bitcoin-us

The point here? They can do it, when ever they want.(Ever hear of the swift system?)

Cyprus Withdrawals Limited To 300 Euros Per Day; No Checks ...
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/cy ... 65268.html

In this example the bank is telling people how much of their own cash they are allowed to have. ALLOWED to have. permission.

List is on and on, you dont even have access to your money ("digits") without permission.

To deny it is simply stup.....naive.


Im sure you dont give a darn,slavery is such an easy way to live and all, but if a person wanted to oppose it, they would use cash for everything they could.

They would take all their expenses in cash from the bank and pay cash.
obviously,rent,heat,light,taxes etc would stay automatic payments, Im talking about gas,food,bus tickets,cigarettes,movies,restraunts etc etc

They would only do business with companies that use cash.


But, most people dont like to think, thinking is hard, so they will prefer slavery.
Its so much easier to have other people think for us.

And whats really funny, they wont even know they are slaves.

The "owners" George Carlin told people about, have mastered the art of ownership. lol

You're trying to redefine slavery as "being dependant on outside services."

By that token, you are a slave to the sanitation department. You should go out in the back yard and bury your own shit instead of being dependent on the city to take it away. Who knows when some rogue mayor will decide to flex his muscles and make your pipes back up?

You are a slave to the hydro company. If you want to be free, you should build a windmill and make your own electricity.

You are a slave to the internet companies. You should train pigeons to bring your messages to us.

Using the services of the banks to make our life more convenient is no more a form of slavery than those other examples I've given. I go through the drive-through, I grab my coffee, I pass my card over the chip-reader. It's faster and more efficient than counting change. Not much faster and more efficient, might only save 5 seconds on each stop, but 5 seconds here and 5 seconds there really adds up over the course of a lifetime. Yeah, they can track my transactions, but what will they learn that they couldn't learn through other means?

800 years ago, only the very rich had bedrooms. The poor lived in the common hall of their lord's manor, fucked their wives and beat their kids in full view of all their neighbours, and everybody knew everybody else's business. Even 50 years ago, there was one TV in the house, the kids had to watch what their parents were watching or go fly a kite. Today every kid has their own little tablet, their parents and their neighbours haven't got a clue what they're watching. The internet company and the NSA might, but they don't give a shit. As long as you're not planning on blowing up the White House, nobody gives a shit that you're jerking off while reading Oedipus Rex.

What privacies we have lost have had no pushback because they're so convenient. I buy Piller's pepperettes, I swipe my grocery store's loyalty card. Over time, they figure out I prefer Piller's and they send me coupons for $1 Off more Piller's products. The benefit is all mine. You say I'm a slave, I say I just saved a dollar. You say I'm giving up free information about myself and I say, if someone out there gets a woody about finding out that I prefer Piller's, let him! There's no tangible loss to me. Schneider's may be bumming, but Schneider's deserves to be bumming. Their prices go up and their quality goes down, and all their propaganda about what a traditional mom-and-pop meat packing outfit they are is pure lies. They're union-busting parasites, the last member of the family that worked on the line died 60 years ago, and their sausages are made from polluted lakes.

Anything that could tangibly hurt me, they could find out from old-fashioned methods of surveillance.

You don't really prefer Piller's do you? Our bromance is officially over dinobot.