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Norway party to seek ban on Islamic call to prayer
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Thu Apr 26, 2018 5:02 pmby GoranZ
Norway’s anti-immigration Progress Party, part of the ruling two-party coalition, is set to vote on banning the Muslim call to prayer in Norway when it meets for its national meeting this weekend.
The proposal is aimed to counter alleged plans by some mosques in Norway to begin issuing the Islamic call to worship, as has been allowed at two mosques in neighbouring Sweden.
“In several places in the country have now established regulations under which mosques have permission to issue the call to prayer over loudspeakers,” claims the local party in Buskerud county, west of Oslo, which made the proposal.
“A great many people perceive this as annoying and inappropriate. In Norway we have freedom of religion, which should also include the right not to be exposed to public calls to prayer.”
The party's former leader Carl Hagen presented a proposal for a similar ban in 2000.
But in the past, the Ministry of Justice has concluded that such a ban would be contrary to Article 9 of the European Convention on Human Rights, the right to freedom of thought, conscience and religion.
The party’s immigration policy spokesman, Jon Helgheim told the Vårt Land newspaper that he was not concerned with whether the law was permissible under the Convention.
“I don’t give a toss what human rights provisions say in this case,” he said. “What I care about is that people get peace and quiet in their neighborhoods, and that means not being disturbed by the call to prayer. If there are conflicting provisions in the Convention on Human Rights, I simply don’t care, because it's completely stupid.”
Vårt Land said it had managed to find no actual examples of mosques in Norway that are planning to begin issuing the call.
But in 2013, the Fittja mosque in southern Stockholm began issuing the call to prayer on Fridays, and in 2017 a mosque in Karlskrona was given permission to use speakers for five prayers a day.
The mosque’s head said that it would "in the initial phase" only issue one call to prayer a week on Fridays, as it was a residential area.
Norway party to seek ban on Islamic call to prayerTime has come to evaluate which rights have greater value... The rights for peace and quiet in peoples neighborhoods or those for religious freedoms. Personally I'm in favor of the first one, but that's just me.
Re: Norway party to seek ban on Islamic call to prayer
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Thu Apr 26, 2018 5:08 pmby jonesthecurl
Yeah, the hell with church bells too.
Re: Norway party to seek ban on Islamic call to prayer
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Thu Apr 26, 2018 5:09 pmby Symmetry
GoranZ wrote:Vårt Land said it had managed to find no actual examples of mosques in Norway that are planning to begin issuing the call.
Time has come to evaluate which rights have greater value... The rights for peace and quiet peoples neighborhoods or those for religious freedoms. Personally I'm in favor of the first one, but that's just me.
Cut that down to the money quote. So, just to re-cap, a ban on nothing, just a weird bit of scaremongering.
Re: Norway party to seek ban on Islamic call to prayer
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Fri Apr 27, 2018 2:04 amby mrswdk
They should stop Jews from harassing Corbyn about Jewish stuff in the headlines as well.
Re: Norway party to seek ban on Islamic call to prayer
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Fri Apr 27, 2018 12:30 pmby GoranZ
Symmetry wrote:GoranZ wrote:Vårt Land said it had managed to find no actual examples of mosques in Norway that are planning to begin issuing the call.
Time has come to evaluate which rights have greater value... The rights for peace and quiet peoples neighborhoods or those for religious freedoms. Personally I'm in favor of the first one, but that's just me.
Cut that down to the money quote. So, just to re-cap, a ban on nothing, just a weird bit of scaremongering.
Before jumping from an airplane you don't put your parachute on your self?
Or you are praying after you jump
Re: Norway party to seek ban on Islamic call to prayer
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Fri Apr 27, 2018 2:03 pmby Neoteny
Norway must be a pretty awesome place if the very potential for weird singing is entering national level politics. We're over here getting murdered by the dozen and Norway's third largest political party is worried about Arabs (theoretically) yelling at them.
Re: Norway party to seek ban on Islamic call to prayer
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Fri Apr 27, 2018 7:37 pmby mrswdk
>call to prayer
>'weird singing'
>'yelling'
Re: Norway party to seek ban on Islamic call to prayer
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Fri Apr 27, 2018 8:08 pmby Neoteny
What?
Religions are dumb and weird and the call to prayer (at least the stereotypic one that Norwegian conservatives are apparently afraid of) is loud religious singing.
Re: Norway party to seek ban on Islamic call to prayer
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Sat Apr 28, 2018 5:27 amby mrswdk
Neoteny wrote:Religions are dumb and weird
I guess you never did claim to be tolerant.
Re: Norway party to seek ban on Islamic call to prayer
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Sat Apr 28, 2018 6:31 amby Neoteny
mrswdk wrote:Neoteny wrote:Religions are dumb and weird
I guess you never did claim to be tolerant.
That's a pretty restrictive form of tolerance where you can't think things are weird and dumb. I'm well on record thinking Nazis are also weird and dumb (bonus, also extremely harmful) but Arnazi and the Ram have told me multiple times that that's a pretty intolerant opinion to have, so maybe you, like them, have a point.
Re: Norway party to seek ban on Islamic call to prayer
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Sat Apr 28, 2018 8:33 amby mrswdk
Calling someone's beliefs 'weird' and 'dumb' is not being tolerant of them.
Re: Norway party to seek ban on Islamic call to prayer
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Sat Apr 28, 2018 1:04 pmby Neoteny
So MuCh FoR tHe ToLeRaNt LeFt
I'm not sure what definition of tolerance you use, but mine is definitely not "Not having negative opinions about ideologies." I can happily coexist with someone who I think has dumb ideas and religions. I live in the US. It's pretty much my whole life. You might be confusing tolerance with respect, which I am sometimes lacking. But I know English isn't your first language, so I won't hold it against you.
Re: Norway party to seek ban on Islamic call to prayer
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Sat Apr 28, 2018 2:34 pmby armati
ahh yes, neotenyahoo the ashkeNAZI jew instructs on tolerance.
Wonderful to be informed by one of the chosen.
This is your ashkeNAZI tolerance neotenyahoo.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MlNn1v4_Uf0Jewish-American on Israel’s Fascism: “No Hope For Change From Within”
Abby Martin interviews journalist and author Max Blumenthal on the current situation in Palestine and the Israeli occupation.
Re: Norway party to seek ban on Islamic call to prayer
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Sat Apr 28, 2018 2:53 pmby Neoteny
I know I'm on the right side of a discussion when the Jew-obsessed Arnazi comes in on the opposite side. Here's more of your tolerance police Mrswdk. Have fun.
Re: Norway party to seek ban on Islamic call to prayer
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Sat Apr 28, 2018 5:57 pmby armati
The words "Moron" "idiot" and "stupid" have different meanings.
Most people seem to unknowingly use them interchangeably.
Moron= a person with a MILD or MODERATE intellectual disability,
idiot= a person affected with EXTREME mental retardation
Stupid
1 a : slow of mind
b : given to unintelligent decisions or acts
c : lacking intelligence or reason
2 : dulled in feeling or sensation
3 : marked by or resulting from unreasoned thinking or acting
4 a : lacking interest or point
One point of interest.........
There just aint no cure for stupid.
Re: Norway party to seek ban on Islamic call to prayer
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Sat Apr 28, 2018 7:15 pmby Neoteny
What's the word for someone who copies and pastes the same three or four posts over and over again?
Re: Norway party to seek ban on Islamic call to prayer
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Sun Apr 29, 2018 10:07 amby mrswdk
Neoteny wrote:So MuCh FoR tHe ToLeRaNt LeFt
I'm not sure what definition of tolerance you use, but mine is definitely not "Not having negative opinions about ideologies." I can happily coexist with someone who I think has dumb ideas and religions. I live in the US. It's pretty much my whole life. You might be confusing tolerance with respect, which I am sometimes lacking. But I know English isn't your first language, so I won't hold it against you.
Oh, so if I say something that you think is wrong then it's probably just because foreign. It gets better.
I'm just saying. The tolerant thing to do is, even if you think someone's views are 'dumb' or 'weird', keep that opinion to yourself. How do you reckon a Muslim reading this forum would take your posts?
Re: Norway party to seek ban on Islamic call to prayer
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Sun Apr 29, 2018 10:55 amby Neoteny
I expect they would react the same way a Christian or Jew would when I make fun of those religions. Maybe roll their eyes and move on. Maybe try to defend their weird religions. A large number of my posts on this forum are picking on Christians and vice versa. At this point it's just banter.
Perhaps it's a little disrespectful, but engaging with things you disagree with honestly is not inherently intolerant.
Re: Norway party to seek ban on Islamic call to prayer
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Sun Apr 29, 2018 12:26 pmby mrswdk
When you live in a country where being Muslim is enough to get you regularly shit on by the media, strangers in the street etc. just for your religion*, I don't think you find it very easy to go 'oh look, just another silly billy mocking Islam' and go about your day unaffected.
*or where being the wrong shade of brown will get you shit on because you're probably a Muslim
Re: Norway party to seek ban on Islamic call to prayer
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Sun Apr 29, 2018 12:32 pmby nietzsche
arnazi and neotenyahoo hahhaha, i should read these threads more often..
Re: Norway party to seek ban on Islamic call to prayer
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Sun Apr 29, 2018 3:11 pmby The ram
Neoteny wrote:What's the word for someone who copies and pastes the same three or four posts over and over again?
I'd say the word is prudent. At least it saves time writing a reply to you.
Re: Norway party to seek ban on Islamic call to prayer
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Sun Apr 29, 2018 6:46 pmby riskllama
The ram wrote:Neoteny wrote:What's the word for someone who copies and pastes the same three or four posts over and over again?
I'd say the word is prudent. At least it saves time writing a reply to you.
zing!
Re: Norway party to seek ban on Islamic call to prayer
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Sun Apr 29, 2018 7:59 pmby Neoteny
mrswdk wrote:When you live in a country where being Muslim is enough to get you regularly shit on by the media, strangers in the street etc. just for your religion*, I don't think you find it very easy to go 'oh look, just another silly billy mocking Islam' and go about your day unaffected.
*or where being the wrong shade of brown will get you shit on because you're probably a Muslim
I trust people to read the context and don't particularly subscribe to the humorless, overreacting Muslim stereotype, so I reckon we'll have to live with not agreeing on this.
Also...
mrswdk wrote:muslim terts should be killer neutrals
The ram wrote:Neoteny wrote:What's the word for someone who copies and pastes the same three or four posts over and over again?
I'd say the word is prudent. At least it saves time writing a reply to you.
Well, hey, here's to you being a lot more prudent in the future.
Re: Norway party to seek ban on Islamic call to prayer
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Sun Apr 29, 2018 9:18 pmby armati
The words "Moron" "idiot" and "stupid" have different meanings.
Most people seem to unknowingly use them interchangeably.
Moron= a person with a MILD or MODERATE intellectual disability,
idiot= a person affected with EXTREME mental retardation
Stupid
1 a : slow of mind
b : given to unintelligent decisions or acts
c : lacking intelligence or reason
2 : dulled in feeling or sensation
3 : marked by or resulting from unreasoned thinking or acting
4 a : lacking interest or point
One point of interest.........
There just aint no cure for stupid.
Re: Norway party to seek ban on Islamic call to prayer
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Mon Apr 30, 2018 2:06 amby mrswdk
Neoteny wrote:mrswdk wrote:When you live in a country where being Muslim is enough to get you regularly shit on by the media, strangers in the street etc. just for your religion*, I don't think you find it very easy to go 'oh look, just another silly billy mocking Islam' and go about your day unaffected.
*or where being the wrong shade of brown will get you shit on because you're probably a Muslim
I trust people to read the context
Oh yeah, I said Islam was weird and stupid but there was context bro. Stop being one of those humourless, overreacting Muslims.