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Update from Paris

Postby Dukasaur on Fri Jun 30, 2023 8:09 pm

So, Tuesday night, while we were boarding our plane in Toronto to come to Paris, the cops in Paris were busy shooting an unarmed black boy. Within hours there was outrage, and within 24 hours there were violent riots. So literally all of the time that we have been in Paris, this has been hanging in the background.

The facts of the case are not all out, so I won't swear to have any special knowledge. However, I do have a theory.

There are obviously three possibilities:
  1. This is a case of intentional murder, a trigger happy cop shooting a black kid because he was having a bad day and doesn't like blacks.
  2. The shooting was justified. The kid was not as harmless as some people think, and the cop was legitimately acting in self defense.
  3. Somewhere in between -- a killing that was not justified, but was a genuine error in judgement, not intentional killing.
From what little I know, I think it was the last, the middle ground. Several things point that way, but most important is that the cop has apologized. If it was a justified killing, he would not apologize. If it was intentional murder, then he would also not apologize. He would dig in his heels, Derek Chauvin-style, and insist he was justified. The fact that he quickly issued an apology says to me that it was an unintentional error in judgement.

Anyway, enough of that. I promised an update, not useless theorizing.

Our entire week in Paris has been dominated by news of the riots, but other than a heavier-than-usual police presence, it has not affected us. There was rioting in Nanterre, a poor immigrant suburb of Paris, but not in downtown. Until tonight, anyway.

Earlier in the day my father-in-law started messaging my wife that it's not safe to stay in Paris and she should come home at once. Annoying, but not insurmountable.

Tonight there were announcements on the subway that it will close early due to a request from the prefecture. My French is very weak; I didn't understand much but I got the gist of it. We had a very nice dinner at Club Merigny, within sight of deGaulle's dour statue, and then walked up the Champs Elysees to the Arc de Triomphe. All along the Champs, there were businesses closing early. We took the subway back to Chatelet and started walking up Rue St. Denis toward our rented apartment. All along St. Denis were police vans parked, including Paddy wagons and armoured cars. About halfway up, we encountered 40 riot police (literally 40, I counted.) They were, however, not deploying but actually dispersing and getting back into their vehicles. On the next street over, protesters were marching up Rue Pierre Lescot. From the side street, it looked like a peaceful march, though I didn't see much. I very much wanted to go have a closer look, but my wife wouldn't let me.

On St. Denis itself, someone had lit a garbage can on fire. Whether it was connected to the protests or just the action of some drunken kids, I cannot say.

We had planned to have an ice cream at one of the street cafes on St. Denis before going home. But my wife was really worried and demanded we go straight home.

After we got home, there was a lot of noise outside. Unfortunately my window just looks out onto an alley and not onto a major street, so I really couldn't see anything. There were some fights and a lot of police cars, but again I can't say if they were due to the protestors or just random drunken hooligans. This part of Paris has hundreds of bars and clubs, the streets are always full of drunken university-age kids, often getting into rumbles.

At one point I came to the window because there were some very angry voices screaming close by, but maddeningly, I still couldn't see around the corner no matter how far I leaned out of the window. Shortly after that, one guy and five girls came up the alleyway, obviously dolled up for clubbing. Right around my window, one of the girls said, "let's get out of here" and four of the girls went back down the alleyway. The fifth girl and the guy stood their ground. The guy soon reported, "don't worry, it's just a couple rubbies beating each other." So that one, at least, was diagnosed for me as being not riot-related. There was a loud conversation and the other four girls came back out of the alley.

Soon afterward, a couple Chinese tourists were escorted home by police officers.

The shouting continued.

Around 1 am, the unmistakable sound of water cannon. Was it being used, as it often is, by police on the protestors? Or routine street-washing? I wish I knew.

It is now 3 in the morning, and the streets are quiet. I really would have liked to go get a first-hand look at things, but the wife drew the line in the sand.
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Re: Update from Paris

Postby ConfederateSS on Fri Jun 30, 2023 11:55 pm

---------Well you have a theory, but claim no knowledge of the situation....
---------- Remember when a long time ago...Someone would do something...They would say, your picture is in the dictionary, under what ever they were talking about, or have done....Well leave it to technology, we are there....Nahel Merzouk is in the Web Dictionary, Wiki...Just like that.....

--------- You start off , Police shoot a Black boy....Let's start there...
----------- 1st of all , We are all African...Mankind comes from Africa, The Garden of Eden...Then spread over time around the world, by land and sea....That out of the way...
----------- Yes, France and Algeria have a long History...
----------- Nahel Merzouk is from Algeria, a country in Africa...He is Arabic, not Black...
----------- An Algerian National who enrolled in a French School, attended classes for 6 months, then stopped going to school...The Algerian Government Expects France to protect it's Nationals...
----------- As for Nahel , he was known to the police, mainly for resisting arrest, had been charged with resisting the previous weekend, and 5 times since 2021 A.D...His judicial file included 15 recorded incidents, including use of false license plates, driving without insurance, and for the sale and consumption of narcotics... Without a valid driver's license...Nahel was to young(in France) to possess a full driver's license...But he was nevertheless employed as a delivery driver...
----------- On the time of the traffic chase...When Nahel was 1st asked to stop...He had 2 passengers in the car with him...Police 1st chance to stop him failed...After he made traffic violations near Francois Arago crossing near Nelson Mandela square...Nahel then drove through crosswalks, endangering a pedestrian and a cyclist...
---------- A motorcycle patrol was able to stop Nahel's car...On video, one policeman had drawn his gun, the other was talking to Nahel...
---------- Then you hear someone yell...(The police, Nahel, or the passengers)...???....,"You are going to be shot!"...
---------- As Nahel starts to drive away...Police shoot...into the car...Hitting Nahel in the chest...he would die at 9:15am their time... Doesn't mean police were shooting at Nahel, maybe at one of the passengers, then the car moved...All the other times, Nahel was never shot at...What is different, 2 passengers in the car...The 2nd passenger needs to be found...There lies the key to this story...
---------- Who yelled, you are going to be shot???
---------- The police shortly detained one of the passengers, one got away, police are still looking for that person...
---------- Sure, maybe the History between the local police and Nahel is at play...
---------- But who yelled , "You are going to be shot???"...
---------- What if one of the passengers yelled it, police feared for their lives???...
---------- After that, when Nahel was pulling away...Police say, At Them...
---------- So it is not so cut and dry...You start off with Police shot a Black boy...The police shot and killed an innocent child...The TRUTH will come out...
--------- Just have to let the facts drop without others pushing their take on the incident...
--------- As for Nahel's mother, calling for destruction in the streets...On Tik Tok...I get it...The feeling she is having...We all want the ones who cause us pain, to suffer....It is Human nature...
--------- Before France is burnt to the ground, by peaceful protests, find the Answers First....Or the Truth may never come out...
--------- That said, May Nahel's family find some peace of rest, as they deal with Nahel's death...As the coming days, weeks will way on them...
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Re: Update from Paris

Postby bigtoughralf on Sat Jul 01, 2023 6:16 am

It sounds like it's basically the exact same thing as the London riots in 2011. Trigger happy policeman takes out a naughty kid, other kids who feel victimised by the state use it as an opportunity to lash out.

French police in general are total cunts - especially towards Muslims and blacks - so it's not exactly out of the blue.
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Re: Update from Paris

Postby bigtoughralf on Sat Jul 01, 2023 6:20 am

Silver lining, we live in a place where a police officer shooting someone dead is a major news story. In a tinpot dictatorship like Philippines, USA or Egypt police brutality of this kind would be just another Monday.
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Re: Update from Paris

Postby ConfederateSS on Sat Jul 01, 2023 8:12 am

bigtoughralf wrote:It sounds like it's basically the exact same thing as the London riots in 2011. Trigger happy policeman takes out a naughty kid, other kids who feel victimised by the state use it as an opportunity to lash out.

French police in general are total cunts - especially towards Muslims and blacks - so it's not exactly out of the blue.

--------Not one news outlet...Has talked about the passengers in the car....Why???, Why are there passengers in a car, when someone is delivering for a company???...
---------- What if the passenger who got away...was holding a gun at Nahel....Saying, "You are going to be shot...",others words get the *uck outta here...Now!!!!... Making Nahal drive crazy, to avoid, get away from the police...The passenger who got away, needs to be found...Then the whole story will come to light...
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Re: Update from Paris

Postby KoolBak on Sat Jul 01, 2023 8:54 am

Thanks for taking the time DoD.

Totally awesome you and your shiny new bride are vacationing over there! How much longer? Can you pack up and head to Switzerland?

At the very least, get a boatload of pastries and champagne, hunker down and enjoy that pretty new bride :D
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Re: Update from Paris

Postby GaryDenton on Sat Jul 01, 2023 9:15 am

Thanks for the report.
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Re: Update from Paris

Postby saxitoxin on Sat Jul 01, 2023 9:32 am

France should hire the Wagner Group to get things under control. They're free and looking for work.

Keep the updates coming, Duk.
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Re: Update from Paris

Postby bigtoughralf on Sat Jul 01, 2023 9:33 am

ConfederateSS wrote:
bigtoughralf wrote:It sounds like it's basically the exact same thing as the London riots in 2011. Trigger happy policeman takes out a naughty kid, other kids who feel victimised by the state use it as an opportunity to lash out.

French police in general are total cunts - especially towards Muslims and blacks - so it's not exactly out of the blue.

--------Not one news outlet...Has talked about the passengers in the car....Why???, Why are there passengers in a car, when someone is delivering for a company???...
---------- What if the passenger who got away...was holding a gun at Nahel....Saying, "You are going to be shot...",others words get the *uck outta here...Now!!!!... Making Nahal drive crazy, to avoid, get away from the police...The passenger who got away, needs to be found...Then the whole story will come to light...... O:) ConfederateSS.out!(The Blue and Silver Rebellion)... O:)


lmao. What if the boy was a KGB suicide agent sent to destabilise France? What if Voldemort was controlling the police officer with an Imperius curse?

The passenger's already been on the news talking about how the police pistol whipped and threatened to shoot the driver. The officer's already been charged with murder. Time for you to come back to reality, dude.
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Re: Update from Paris

Postby bigtoughralf on Sat Jul 01, 2023 9:36 am

saxitoxin wrote:France should hire the Wagner Group to get things under control. They're free and looking for work.

Keep the updates coming, Duk.


Not to worry. The Malinese government has just evicted thousands of French troops, saying it would prefer to rely solely on the Wagner Group for Mali's internal security. France has no shortage of spare stormtroopers at its disposal!
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Re: Update from Paris

Postby saxitoxin on Sat Jul 01, 2023 9:43 am

If there's a silver lining it looks like the grieving mother was having the time of her life at the funeral parade. Good on her.

But seriously, how pissed must Marine Le Pen be? If this had happened 18 months ago she'd be president now.

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Re: Update from Paris

Postby bigtoughralf on Sat Jul 01, 2023 9:48 am

saxi, you like making your own custom panel memes. Can you make one comparing photos from the retirement age riots to the current police brutality riots? I'm curious about whether French people are currently as upset about the police oppressing brown people as they were about being asked to pay for their own pensions.
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Re: Update from Paris

Postby mookiemcgee on Sat Jul 01, 2023 11:36 am

KoolBak wrote:Thanks for taking the time DoD.

Totally awesome you and your shiny new bride are vacationing over there! How much longer? Can you pack up and head to Switzerland?

At the very least, get a boatload of pastries and champagne, hunker down and enjoy that pretty new bride :D


I was gonna suggest something similar, a little train ride to the south wouldn't be a bad idea

... that said i think Duk is kinda enjoying being in the center of the action!
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Re: Update from Paris

Postby Dukasaur on Sat Jul 01, 2023 11:41 am

ConfederateSS wrote:--------[size=200]Not one news outlet...Has talked about the passengers in the car....Why???, Why are there passengers in a car, when someone is delivering for a company???...

I can answer that, having spent some time as a delivery driver.

Delivery companies pay shit, so they tend to hire recent immigrants who can't get any other job, or young people with not much work history who can't get any other job. In this case, seems like it was both. Since the money sucks, you have to work at it constantly to make any money. Ten hours a night, six or seven nights a week, is typical. That doesn't leave any time for a life, so delivery drivers often combine their life with their job, driving around with their girlfriend in the car or their buddies. Only time they get to see them and not completely lose the relationship while they're working their 70 hour week. Often there's a party spirit with delivery drivers. They're driving around, cranking the tunes, smoking dope. Basically the same thing that rich kids do, except the rich kids don't have to run deliveries while they're doing it.
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ConfederateSS wrote:---------- What if the passenger who got away...


lmao. What if the boy was a KGB suicide agent sent to destabilise France? What if Voldemort was controlling the police officer with an Imperius curse?

The passenger's already been on the news talking about how the police pistol whipped and threatened to shoot the driver. The officer's already been charged with murder. Time for you to come back to reality, dude.

:lol: =D>

KoolBak wrote:Thanks for taking the time DoD.

Totally awesome you and your shiny new bride are vacationing over there! How much longer? Can you pack up and head to Switzerland?

We're only in Paris until Monday. Then going down to Angers, where I have a rental car booked for a week starting Tuesday. Taking a road trip out to the Brittany peninsula (only part of France I've never been to) and then back inland.

On July 8th swinging back towards Paris to visit Versailles, and then on July 9th planning to be in Puy de Dome to see one leg of the Tour de France. Going to France to see part of the Tour de France has been on my bucket list since I was a kid! The Puy de Dome is a legendary leg, brutal mountain for a biker to conquer! Then Chambord and Angers on the 10th before returning to Paris on the 11th.

saxitoxin wrote:Keep the updates coming, Duk.

Today we had lunch on the Eiffel Tower. When we got there, there were announcements that the tower was closed, and indeed the regular entrances were, but because we had lunch reservations at one of the very expensive restaurants, we got to go in through the VIP entrance, which was open. So we scooted up the elevator.

It was explained that the tower was closed for "technical issues", but I'm not one to be fobbed off with BS, so I kept demanding answers until someone explained. Because there were protests expected in the area, the security guards for the tower refused to come to work. Their job is expelling the occasional drunken German, not getting into a war zone. So the tower had to be closed for lack of security guards. The restaurants run their own security and thus were allowed to stay open.

In the afternoon, once the rumours of a nearby protest faded, the security guards came back and the tower opened for business normally.
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Re: Update from Paris

Postby bigtoughralf on Sat Jul 01, 2023 12:24 pm

How was whichever restaurant you went to? Worth a visit?
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Re: Update from Paris

Postby Dukasaur on Sat Jul 01, 2023 2:41 pm

bigtoughralf wrote:How was whichever restaurant you went to? Worth a visit?

Amazing.

Here's an online review: https://www.parisinsidersguide.com/jules-verne-restaurant.html

Some of the menu items have changed since that was written, but in general my experience was very similar to that reviewer's.
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Re: Update from Paris

Postby ConfederateSS on Sat Jul 01, 2023 4:34 pm

bigtoughralf wrote:
ConfederateSS wrote:
bigtoughralf wrote:It sounds like it's basically the exact same thing as the London riots in 2011. Trigger happy policeman takes out a naughty kid, other kids who feel victimised by the state use it as an opportunity to lash out.

French police in general are total cunts - especially towards Muslims and blacks - so it's not exactly out of the blue.

--------Not one news outlet...Has talked about the passengers in the car....Why???, Why are there passengers in a car, when someone is delivering for a company???...
---------- What if the passenger who got away...was holding a gun at Nahel....Saying, "You are going to be shot...",others words get the *uck outta here...Now!!!!... Making Nahal drive crazy, to avoid, get away from the police...The passenger who got away, needs to be found...Then the whole story will come to light...... O:) ConfederateSS.out!(The Blue and Silver Rebellion)... O:)


lmao. What if the boy was a KGB suicide agent sent to destabilise France? What if Voldemort was controlling the police officer with an Imperius curse?

The passenger's already been on the news talking about how the police pistol whipped and threatened to shoot the driver. The officer's already been charged with murder. Time for you to come back to reality, dude.

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Re: Update from Paris

Postby bigtoughralf on Sat Jul 01, 2023 7:07 pm

Dukasaur wrote:
bigtoughralf wrote:How was whichever restaurant you went to? Worth a visit?

Amazing.

Here's an online review: https://www.parisinsidersguide.com/jules-verne-restaurant.html

Some of the menu items have changed since that was written, but in general my experience was very similar to that reviewer's.


That looks dope. Way better than the lame ass restaurants in the Shard in London (which were why I wondered).
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Re: Update from Paris

Postby KoolBak on Sat Jul 01, 2023 8:10 pm

Totally cool you're getting this epic vaca.

Just curious; why so france-centric? No Austria, Greece, Spain, skandahoovia....

Love to know the back story.

If I ever did this, I'd want to travel the small burgs of Switzerland, preferably by motorcycle. My uncle lived in Interlaken, so some history.

The Greek isles....the Austrian countryside....Ireland for my heritage.

Just so much. And hell, I've never even been east of Montana :lol:
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Postby jusplay4fun on Sat Jul 01, 2023 8:47 pm

KoolBak wrote:Totally cool you're getting this epic vaca.

Just curious; why so france-centric? No Austria, Greece, Spain, skandahoovia....

Love to know the back story.

If I ever did this, I'd want to travel the small burgs of Switzerland, preferably by motorcycle. My uncle lived in Interlaken, so some history.

The Greek isles....the Austrian countryside....Ireland for my heritage.

Just so much. And hell, I've never even been east of Montana :lol:


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Re: Update from Paris

Postby KoolBak on Sun Jul 02, 2023 5:38 am

Yeah, made the choice 30+ years ago to do my damndest at raising my kids, so being self employed Mr mom doesn't really allow for that :lol:

Been to Kauai 30 times....and camping a ton. Does that count?

If you'd care to back the Koolbak Exploratory Fund, we'd fuckkin dig travelling! I can even passably speak French! :lol:
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Postby jusplay4fun on Sun Jul 02, 2023 8:48 am

KoolBak wrote:Yeah, made the choice 30+ years ago to do my damndest at raising my kids, so being self employed Mr mom doesn't really allow for that :lol:

Been to Kauai 30 times....and camping a ton. Does that count?

If you'd care to back the Koolbak Exploratory Fund, we'd fuckkin dig travelling! I can even passably speak French! :lol:


So your children are 25-30? And you are still "tied up" at home?

I assume that "self employed Mr mom" meant that you did not and do not earn much financially? I am barely making it financially, so I cannot help you, KB. I should be asking for the JP Travel "Fund Me" fund. :D
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Re: Update from Paris

Postby saxitoxin on Sun Jul 02, 2023 9:53 am

KoolBak wrote:I've never even been east of Montana


Been to Kauai 30 times


So you've never been more than 800 miles to the east but you've been 3,000 miles to the west 30 times?

Burying the lead.

I hate the east as much as any decent westerner but this is extreme.

What is the appeal of Kauai that, after the first time you went, you decided you would thereafter only leave the house to go to the grocery store or Kauai? (I've been to Hawaii but not to Kauai.)
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Re: Update from Paris

Postby KoolBak on Sun Jul 02, 2023 9:54 am

My boys are 19 and 25. 1 in college and 1 just into his new outstanding career where he's actually making more than me.

I encourage them to live here rent free to save thor money to be able to actually buy a home when they're ready. Damn hard thing to do for kids these days.

An no, giving up my solid career to stay home did not make us wealthy, but I've got two damn good kids with bright futures that tell me they love me every day, so I'm good. We have a home and are happy. More than many can say.....

Anywho, hopefully the DoD hasn't run into the French army....although I bet he could take down a percentage them on his own :lol:
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Re: Update from Paris

Postby Dukasaur on Sun Jul 02, 2023 2:08 pm

Anyway, Saturday night was pretty quiet in Paris.

Walking around the city, I saw a few other incinerated garbage cans from Friday night's festivities, but nothing new.

In Marseilles, there is apparently a full-blown riot underway, but Marseilles is the other end of the country. Not much I can say about it that you can't see for yourself on the BBC.
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