The Dooming U.A.W. strike... doooom

[Lonous]

Covid was a good window for workers to rally and organize, making the most of the 'essential worker' tagline.
That has held true with many strikes and tense contract negotiations that happened in many sectors.
But that was already overdue imo, Covid just sort of triggered it.
The inflation that has happened due to the ridiculous spending done by both parties, has added an urgency to the topic.

The United Auto Workers has been preparing for this entire year to strike if needed.
They usually target one Brand/Corporation to negotiate with.
They are currently targeting the entire industry due to inflation.
A general strike of all auto makers at the same time has never happened before.

According to Zippia
920,000 Americans work in auto maker/parts factories and another 1.2 million of them work at auto dealers.
And the auto industry accounts for 3% of the U.S. GDP
https://www.zippia.com/advice/automotiv ... tatistics/
That's many jobs potentially being affected by the end of today.
An actual strike happening would have an even larger ripple effect.

All of this appears to be happening now to take advantage of the political season that is about to kick off.
Thoughts? Predicted outcomes?

[saxitoxin]

Vance nailed it. It's Old Joe's fault.

I support the UAW’s demand for higher wages, but there is a 6,000-pound elephant in the room: the premature transition to electric vehicles. While EV supply chains are still heavily concentrated in China, the Biden administration sends billions to that industry every year. While most Americans want to drive a gas-powered car, the Biden administration pursues a policy explicitly designed to increase the cost of gas. They do this in the name of the environment but all they’re doing is enriching the dirtiest economy in the world at the expense of auto workers in Ohio, Pennsylvania, and Michigan.

I am among the most pro-labor Republicans in the US Senate. Most auto workers understand that Biden policies are destroying the American car industry, and this moment presents an opportunity for UAW leadership to change course. UAW leadership encouraged their membership to vote for the most anti-car president in American history. They cannot now act shocked that Joe Biden is doing exactly as he promised.

There is no long-term solution to this crisis until we stop Biden’s war on American cars. And that won’t happen until the UAW leadership realizes what membership understood years ago: Joe Biden is no friend to the American auto worker or the consumers who depend on their craftsmanship.

https://twitter.com/JDVance1/status/1701987001824575491

Old Joe should be arrested and imprisoned for premeditated incompetence.

[GaryDenton]

Saxi - BS, the workers and unions strongly approve of Good Guy Joe and his auto plans.
The EVs will be built in America. The car companies are already retooling for the cleaner, more efficient, easier to maintain cars, and it will expand the number of American auto worker jobs. Ask an auto worker, Joe, unlike Trump, is good for workers.

[GaryDenton]

A major not understood cause of inflation is the consolidation of corporate America.
In addition to the corporations raising their profit margins and thus prices and inflation with little competition, consolidated plants and factories mean they set the wage rates without competition and also have diverted conpensation increases to shareholders and top executives.
Ask a modern economist, raising profit margins and consolidation of corporate power is a leading cause of inflation.

https://www.npr.org/2023/05/19/1177180972

[Dukasaur]

Vance nailed it. It's Old Joe's fault.

I support the UAW’s demand for higher wages, but there is a 6,000-pound elephant in the room: the premature transition to electric vehicles. While EV supply chains are still heavily concentrated in China, the Biden administration sends billions to that industry every year.

Seems to me your logic is completely ass-backwards.

European car manufacturers are admitting they missed the boat on EV's, and by doing so they have given China an open door into their market. Ten years ago China had almost no presence in the European market; today they have 8% of the European EV market and rising fast. Even by the most conservative estimates, that 8% is expected to double within two years, and many estimates put it far higher than that. European car makers admit there's sweet f*ck all they can do about it -- bringing a new car to market takes 5 to 10 years, and it's too late now. The production lines to compete with Chinese imports simply won't be up any time soon, and the fox will be permitted to run rampant in the henhouse.

The U.S. is now on the cusp of making the same mistake. If it doesn't gear up now, and gear up fast, it will soon be swamped with Chinese EVs, just as it was swamped with Japanese cars in the 1970s, when the American car makers didn't see the writing on the wall and didn't invest in fuel economy as a priority until it was too late. Aggressive investment now might -- might -- just prevent that. Lack of investment will pretty much guarantee that China in 10 years have half the American car market, and American cities with car plants will be begging their Chinese overlords not to shut down their factories, as they were begging their Japanese owners forty years ago.

I don't know if the small amounts Biden is throwing into the pot will make a difference, but I do know that it's definitely better for you than doing nothing.

Thoughts? Predicted outcomes?

I am encouraged by the fact that the car companies know they're in serious shit, and they've offered a HUGE raise for the first time in decades to try to head off the strike. I don't know how much more will be needed, but I'm pretty sure they've come more than half way across the table. A strike might still be averted, but even if it isn't, it might be brief and relatively painless.

I'm also encouraged by the fact that the union isn't going straight into a full-blown work stoppage but is going to go with rotating strikes. I think this means that they too know a strike isn't good for anybody, and are serious about either averting it or ending it in a relatively short time.

All in all, this is looking a lot less disastrous than it was a week ago.

[bigtoughralf]

While EV supply chains are still heavily concentrated in China, the Biden administration sends billions to that industry every year. While most Americans want to drive a gas-powered car, the Biden administration pursues a policy explicitly designed to increase the cost of gas. They do this in the name of the environment but all they’re doing is enriching the dirtiest economy in the world

'The US should buying electric vehicles and instead start subsidizing gas cars, because I care about the environment'. lmao.

He's not even vaguely correct in calling China the 'world's dirtiest economy' anyway. If he really cares about the baby penguins maybe he could start closer to home and clean up a country whose emissions per capita are more than double those of China (the USA).

https://www.worldometers.info/co2-emiss ... er-capita/

[bigtoughralf]

Ten years ago China had almost no presence in the European market; today they have 8% of the European EV market and rising fast.

Uh oh. That means it's only a matter of time before all Europeans are forced to wear Mao masks to work and bathe in soy sauce. What can we do to stop this?????

[saxitoxin]

Saxi - BS, the workers and unions strongly approve of Good Guy Joe and his auto plans.

Is this the same "Good Guy Joe" who, today, lied that he taught political theory at the University of Pennsylvania for four years? (He never taught political theory anywhere, and never taught any class at the University of Pennsylvania for four years or even four days.)



Or is this the same "Good Guy Joe" who, on Tuesday, lied that he was at Ground Zero after 9/11? (He wasn't.)



Or is this the same "Good Guy Joe" who, on Monday, lied that his son Beau was killed in combat in Iraq? (He died in Delaware of cancer.)



Are good guys habitual liars?

[ConfederateSS]

-------BREAK THE UNIONS
--------If people were smart, we don't need them anymore...Outdated...
--------- When FORD was beating employees for production on the line...Unions were needed...
-------- Then Unions became, more about themselves, than the worker...Drove jobs over seas to slave labor...
-------- There are companies succeeding today, in America, Why???...They are Union free...Making it, without greedy Union bosses, saying they will help...Take money out of your check...On top of that , use the money to back worthless politicians...
-------- Another reason to get rid of Unions...
-------- Take Churches for example...
-------- A Baptist Church on the Sunday before Election day...They will push the Democrat Party down your throat... Remember vote Democrat...
-------- A Priest at a Catholic Church, on the Sunday before Election day.... Remember Tuesday is Election day, don't forget to vote...Will remind you of The Election, but will not tell you who to vote for...
-------- 99% of Unions will Push The Democratic Party on their employees... Don't dare talk about the Republican Party at work...As the Unions , Democrat Party, keep The Plantation voting block wrapped up...
-------- Or like The Teacher's Unions... Pushing Radical values, medical crap on kids, in a Union, School, Big Pharma, Medical profession triangle , exploiting America's children.......
----------- BREAK THE UNIONS, not needed anymore in AMERICA .... ConfederateSS.out!(The Blue and Silver Rebellion)...

[ConfederateSS]

---------Biden was sending people to the U.A.W...to help......
--------The Head of The U.A.W....No Thanks, we don't need your help... ....Guess the Swing is heading Trump's way......
--------- Biden has decided not to send help... ...After his New Green deal , has crushed Fossil Fuels...That Electric Cars...Do not need as many people to build them....
--------I can't imagine why The U.A.W. would snub Old Sleepy Joe's help... ... ConfederateSS.out!(The Blue and Silver Rebellion)...

[Pack Rat]

Sure picked a bad day to quit speedballing

[GaryDenton]

In one appearance on Meet the Press Trump made over 14 lies.

Maybe Good Guy Joe is too old to keep up.

No one tops Trump in his lies or in their frequency.

Perhaps you remember Trump lies about helping at Ground Zero or his building now being the tallest in New York or the over 30,000 lies he told as president?

Former President Donald Trump delivered a laundry list of his familiar election lies and other false claims – plus some new falsehoods on subjects ranging from abortion laws to his policy on dealing with drug cartels – in an interview that aired Sunday on NBC’s “Meet the Press.”

The show’s new moderator, Kristen Welker, promptly corrected some of the false claims; others were aired unchallenged. Here’s a fact check of 14 of the false claims, plus a check on another important claim for which there is no evidence.

This is not a comprehensive list of the inaccurate remarks Trump made in the interview.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/09/17/politics/fact-check-donald-trump/index.html

Trump's Favorite Things from a few years ago.



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[Lonous]

GM secures 6 billion in credit, sending signals that they might drag the strike on for months.
If they are still on strike come January it will be one of the biggest topics during the Primary debates.

Video in linked article
https://www.cnbc.com/2023/10/04/gm-secures-new-6-billion-credit-line-as-uaw-strike-costs-200-million.html

[jusplay4fun]

Maybe it is time to change the title, since the strike is ON and is no longer looming….?

Title was:

Re: The looming U.A.W. strike deadline is Thursday at midnight