Anti-Zionism is not anti-semitism

[Lonous]

At all
https://twitter.com/i/status/1717247003690774847

[Lonous]

Not.one.bit
https://twitter.com/i/status/1717277160564559968

[Lonous]

For the twitter impaired.

[Votanic]

For that matter, Anti-Judaism isn't Anti-Semitism either.

Judaism is highly and harshly judgmental Abrahamic religion. It fully deserves its own critics that harshly judge it in turn.

Another interesting point is that Arabs are also a Semitic people, though the term Anti-Semitism is rarely used when they are discriminated against.

[Dukasaur]

For that matter, Anti-Judaism isn't Anti-Semitism either.

Judaism is highly and harshly judgmental Abrahamic religion. It fully deserves its own critics that harshly judge it in turn.

Another interesting point is that Arabs are also a Semitic people, though the term Anti-Semitism is rarely used when they are discriminated against.

Your last sentence is true, but hardly relevant in the 21st Century. The meaning of the language shifts over time -- 'irregardless' has become a word, no matter how many purists rail against its idiocy. "Anti-Semitic" has come to mean "Anti-Jewish" although it too is an ignorant bastard usage.

Now on to your main point.

All the Abrahamic religions are harshly judgemental. I don't think Judaism is worse than the others. In fact, I think it's milder than the other two. Debatable, I suppose, but from what I see Christians (God hates fags!, and it's okay to kill nurses who advise a woman to have an abortion) and Muslims (beheading women for adultery even if they were forced into it) are at least as vicious and probably more so than Jews.

[jimboston]

Sure they aren’t the same, but the Venn Diagram overlap is pretty significant.

Also a LOT of people hide their anti-semitism in anti-zionism flags.

[HitRed]

Couldn’t find the original quote but this is what God said a few years ago.

LGBT

They are my children too. - God

[Pack Rat]

Couldn’t find the original quote but this is what God said a few years ago.

LGBT

They are my children too. - God

"Now go and smite Amalek and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass.’”

Those good ole days!

[Votanic]

For that matter, Anti-Judaism isn't Anti-Semitism either.

Judaism is highly and harshly judgmental Abrahamic religion. It fully deserves its own critics that harshly judge it in turn.

Another interesting point is that Arabs are also a Semitic people, though the term Anti-Semitism is rarely used when they are discriminated against.

Your last sentence is true, but hardly relevant in the 21st Century. The meaning of the language shifts over time -- 'irregardless' has become a word, no matter how many purists rail against its idiocy. "Anti-Semitic" has come to mean "Anti-Jewish" although it too is an ignorant bastard usage.

Now on to your main point.

All the Abrahamic religions are harshly judgemental. I don't think Judaism is worse than the others. In fact, I think it's milder than the other two. Debatable, I suppose, but from what I see Christians (God hates fags!, and it's okay to kill nurses who advise a woman to have an abortion) and Muslims (beheading women for adultery even if they were forced into it) are at least as vicious and probably more so than Jews.

So anti-semitism is used incorrectly and has become a term used to uphold Jewish exceptionalism. We might even agree here, and are just taking past each other.

As for the second point (that you decided was the main one), most of the Anti-Semitism/Anti-Zionism/whatever-ya-call-it basically stems from in-fighting among the many various Abrahamic sects, (the many flavors of Judaismm, Christianity, and Islam). Of course, religious fights spill over into fights for land and secular power. (Spoiler: That's why religion was invented).

So, obviously, everyone who is in a fight has enemies who are 'Anti-' them. The fact that Anti-semitism or whatever) gets special emphasis is yet another example of Jewish Exceptionalism. 'Chosen People' indeed. Yes, this applies to everything that happens in Pal-rael (The Holy Land??) and everything that happened elsewhere, including Europe in the 1930-40s and elsewhen. There were many, many (usually partial) genocides of various sizes in history. Some are mentioned in the Torah/Bible/Koran. Focusing on one and calling it The Holocaust has also become an example of Jewish exceptionalism, because it has been used to justify the afore-mentioned exceptionalism.

The relatively exclusionary nature of Judaism also comes into play. It is harder to convert (let alone fully assimilate) into Judaism than into Christianity or Islam. Some Anti-Semitism (or whatever) basically comes down to: 'If you can't join them, beat them'.

[jimboston]

Your antisemitism is apparent.

Are you even trying to hide it?

[Lonous]

Another example

The men with the long curly hair are Semitic, Jewish, and practitioners of Torah Judaism.
They are gathering donations to help the Palestinian children that had their hospitals, school, homes, and refuge camps bombed.

The uniformed men beating on them are the enforcers of Zionism.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1719741630763159672

Also

"You need not be a Jew to be Zionist" - some guy

[Votanic]

Your antisemitism is apparent.

Are you even trying to hide it?

Religions totally make up god, laws, sins, heavens & hells... and then they beat up on people that don't believe or obey the bullshit in very real, verymaterial, very secular ways.
Judgemental religions are just a weapon of social control.

Does 'Judge not lest ye be judged?' ring a bell.

...and sure everyone does judge, and is judged, materially-speaking.
But only religions then turn around and declare that their bullshit is too sacred to ever be treated with the same harsh contempt that they show the sinners and non-believers.

God is fraud. ...and religion is hypocrisy taken to the next level.

Don't worry about being Anti-semitic or not, jim. That is just name-calling by the religion-themed, but ultimately secular, power-brokers, ...such as Israel & Co.

And yes, I apply that same judgement to other religions.
However, since Judaism's main contribution to world culture is the creation of the Abrahamic Religion-Military-Industrial Complex, it can't pretend to play a minor, side-line role now.
It fully deserves to be right on the Bull's Eye.

[mookiemcgee]

So was Bob Marley a zionist but not a Jew?

[Lonous]

Bob Marley believed in staying eternally vigilant against the forces of evil.
His son still waits for the beacons to be lit, so he can ride forth.

[Votanic]

Ha! I can distract and obfuscate with the best of them.

Get 'lit', y'all.

[jimboston]

Your antisemitism is apparent.

Are you even trying to hide it?

Religions totally make up god, laws, sins, heavens & hells... and then they beat up on people that don't believe or obey the bullshit in very real, verymaterial, very secular ways.
Judgemental religions are just a weapon of social control.

Does 'Judge not lest ye be judged?' ring a bell.

...and sure everyone does judge, and is judged, materially-speaking.
But only religions then turn around and declare that their bullshit is too sacred to ever be treated with the same harsh contempt that they show the sinners and non-believers.

God is fraud. ...and religion is hypocrisy taken to the next level.

Don't worry about being Anti-semitic or not, jim. That is just name-calling by the religion-themed, but ultimately secular, power-brokers, ...such as Israel & Co.

And yes, I apply that same judgement to other religions.
However, since Judaism's main contribution to world culture is the creation of the Abrahamic Religion-Military-Industrial Complex, it can't pretend to play a minor, side-line role now.
It fully deserves to be right on the Bull's Eye.

So in a war (essentially) between Muslims and Jews you are saying both…
1) They are the same thing, since they are based on the Abrahamic Religion-Military-Industrial Complex.
… and at the same time saying…
2) Judaism and Zionism are the bad guys in this conflict.

LOL

[Pack Rat]

Your antisemitism is apparent.

Are you even trying to hide it?

Religions totally make up god, laws, sins, heavens & hells... and then they beat up on people that don't believe or obey the bullshit in very real, verymaterial, very secular ways.
Judgemental religions are just a weapon of social control.

Does 'Judge not lest ye be judged?' ring a bell.

...and sure everyone does judge, and is judged, materially-speaking.
But only religions then turn around and declare that their bullshit is too sacred to ever be treated with the same harsh contempt that they show the sinners and non-believers.

God is fraud. ...and religion is hypocrisy taken to the next level.

Don't worry about being Anti-semitic or not, jim. That is just name-calling by the religion-themed, but ultimately secular, power-brokers, ...such as Israel & Co.

And yes, I apply that same judgement to other religions.
However, since Judaism's main contribution to world culture is the creation of the Abrahamic Religion-Military-Industrial Complex, it can't pretend to play a minor, side-line role now.
It fully deserves to be right on the Bull's Eye.

So in a war (essentially) between Muslims and Jews you are saying both…
1) They are the same thing, since they are based on the Abrahamic Religion-Military-Industrial Complex.
… and at the same time saying…
2) Judaism and Zionism are the bad guys in this conflict.

LOL

"Imagine there's no heaven
It's easy if you try
No hell below us
Above us, only sky
Imagine all the people
Livin' for today
Ah
Imagine there's no countries
It isn't hard to do
Nothing to kill or die for
And no religion, too
Imagine all the people
Livin' life in peace
You
You may say I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one
I hope someday you'll join us
And the world will be as one
Imagine no possessions
I wonder if you can
No need for greed or hunger
A brotherhood of man
Imagine all the people
Sharing all the world
You
You may say I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one
I hope someday you'll join us
And the world will live as one"

Votanic wins!

[jimboston]

"Imagine there's no heaven
It's easy if you try
No hell below us
Above us, only sky
Imagine all the people
Livin' for today
Ah
Imagine there's no countries
It isn't hard to do
Nothing to kill or die for
And no religion, too
Imagine all the people
Livin' life in peace
You
You may say I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one
I hope someday you'll join us
And the world will be as one
Imagine no possessions
I wonder if you can
No need for greed or hunger
A brotherhood of man
Imagine all the people
Sharing all the world
You
You may say I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one
I hope someday you'll join us
And the world will live as one"

Votanic wins!

Maybe You can imagine such a world. Maybe I can too at some future date.

… but it ain’t the world MOST people can imagine, and it’s NOT the world we live in.

I deal with reality not dreams.

[Votanic]

Let's flip that narrative.

Imagine there is a Heaven
It's easy if you try
Fiery Hell below us
Above us, only Deity
Imagine all the people
Livin' for their immortal life after death.

Okay, I did the first verse.
You guys take it from here.

[KoolBak]

Since we're opining on fictions, I suggest a verse about dragons....

[Votanic]

Since we're opining on fictions, I suggest a verse about dragons....

Bible's way ahead of you, KoolBak. Here's a sample. Revelations 13:1-4

1 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.
2 And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.
3 And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.
4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?

J.R.R.Tolkien, Godzilla, Gary Gygax, Peter, Paul & Mary: all owe an enormous debt of gratitute to these ancient prophet-entertainers.
Remember, they didn't have television back then (or Conquer Club ). They had to keep themselves amused with religious scriptures.

[KoolBak]

Yawn. I'm well aware of that particular work of fiction.

Spent 4 years at a Catholic college.

Religion is FAITH. Not fact. Straight from the priest's mouth.

You keep pushing, bible boy......someone out there agrees with you, I'm sure

[Votanic]

Yawn. I'm well aware of that particular work of fiction.

Spent 4 years at a Catholic college.

Religion is FAITH. Not fact. Straight from the priest's mouth.

You keep pushing, bible boy......someone out there agrees with you, I'm sure

Sinnah, you betta' be right!?!?!