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Happy St. Patrick's Day 2025

Postby jusplay4fun on Fri Mar 14, 2025 10:25 pm

I likely took away a favorite post of ConfedSS, BUT I figure that he does not mind that I post this today, a few days early:

Happy St. Patrick's Day

How the Irish Saved Civilization: The Untold Story of Ireland's Heroic Role from the Fall of Rome to the Rise of Medieval Europe is a non-fiction historical book written by Thomas Cahill.

Cahill argues a case for the Irish people's critical role in preserving Western Civilization from utter destruction by the Huns and the Germanic tribes (Visigoths, Franks, Angles, Saxons, Ostrogoths, etc.). The book presents Western history from the collapse of the Roman Empire and the pivotal role played by members of the clergy at the time. A particular focus is placed upon Saint Patrick.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/How_the_Irish_Saved_Civilization

AND:
Island of Saints and Scholars

Island of Saints
Ireland has a rich history of Christian missionaries and saints who played a crucial role in spreading Christianity throughout the country and beyond its shores. Ireland rose to prominence as a centre of learning and monasticism during the early medieval period, between the 5th and the 9th centuries. There are 150 known Irish saints, and their lives are recorded in significant Irish manuscripts (Ganley, n.d.). Saint Patrick, the patron saint of Ireland, is perhaps the most famous of these figures. His work establishing monasteries and converting the Irish to Christianity laid the groundwork for Ireland’s reputation as a “Land of Saints”.

Island of Scholars
From the early medieval period onwards, Ireland became known for its vibrant scholarship and learning. Monasteries and other religious institutions served as hubs of learning and scholarship, drawing academics from all over Europe. Irish monks and scholars were renowned for their commitment to learning, and during the Dark Ages when much of Europe saw a decline in education and literacy, they were instrumental in preserving and transmitting classical knowledge and manuscripts. Irish scholars also made significant contributions to various fields, including theology, philosophy, history, poetry, and law. Ireland earned the moniker “Island of Scholars” thanks to its intellectual prowess and scholarly endeavours.

Thus, the combination of these two aspects—holiness associated with saints and intellectual pursuits associated with scholars—led to Ireland being fondly referred to as the “Island of Saints and Scholars.” It reflects the historical significance of Ireland as a place of both religious and academic excellence. This reputation has left a lasting impact on Ireland’s cultural heritage and continues to be celebrated and remembered to this day.

https://www.huntmuseum.com/stories/ireland-and-the-birth-of-europe/island-of-saints-and-scholars/#:~:text=Ireland%20has%20a%20rich%20history,5th%20and%20the%209th%20centuries.

also:
Ireland is the land of Poets & Scholars. This is demonstrated by the 4 Irish winners of the Nobel Prize for Literature – more than any other country. Dublin is thus famous as a city of writers.


and more:
Quick! Without cheating – stay away from the Internet – name the four Irish Nobel Laureates in Literature. Got them yet?

OK, Yeats, the first, is the easiest.

Beckett, the most popular.

Heaney, the last, is often forgotten.

Who’s missing?

Usually, people forget George Bernard Shaw, who some think English, although he was born on Synge Street in Dublin, not far from the Grand Canal.

https://www.irishcentral.com/culture/entertainment/four-irish-nobel-laureates-literature
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Re: Happy St. Patrick's Day 2025

Postby Pack Rat on Fri Mar 14, 2025 11:04 pm

What's the difference between a Irish wedding and a Irish funeral?


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Re: Happy St. Patrick's Day 2025

Postby ConfederateSS on Fri Mar 14, 2025 11:36 pm

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Re: Happy St. Patrick's Day 2025

Postby jusplay4fun on Sat Mar 15, 2025 8:00 am

Pack Rat wrote:[b]What's the difference between a Irish wedding and a Irish funeral?


[spoiler][b]One less drunk.


YUP, heard that one and MANY more such jokes.

That must be why the Irish lost so many battles. :roll: :lol: :D

ask ralph :D
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Re: Happy St. Patrick's Day 2025

Postby kennyp72 on Mon Mar 17, 2025 7:22 am

I read that whole streets in NYC are closed off for parades etc.

I knew you guys had an immigration problem but I hadn't realised it was this bad.

Praying you don't lose your cultural identity...
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Re: Happy St. Patrick's Day 2025

Postby KoolBak on Mon Mar 17, 2025 10:07 am

Keep praying. It's obviously helped your life so much to date.....
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Re: Happy St. Patrick's Day 2025

Postby ConfederateSS on Mon Mar 17, 2025 11:44 am

-------------Happy St. Patrick's Day 2025 A.D.-------------A.D. Jp ;) .......... :D :D :D :D :D :D ;) ......
---------------Screw common era :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: ...
----------------Pick a penny up off the ground....Save the LUCK.....For a rainy day....Nothing better than finding a lucky penny on St.Patrick's Day.....Sometimes pennies on the ground turn green....A Green Penny...You can't get any luckier than finding a Green Penny on St. Patrick's Day......Well unless you are in Corktown(Detroit), Michigan and Trumbull,by Old Tiger Stadium......The Bars have been Rocking, Pouring all Day....All Week.... ;) :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :lol: :lol: :lol: ... O:) ConfederateSS.out!(The Blue and Silver Rebellion)... O:) .......I'll tell you Thanks Jp for posting this...My devices weren't working since 8pm last night...I just got on here in Corktown...Home wifi flipping out...I guess they're working on the telephone poles...Last weeks storms.....So I am glad you did make this post...whew....That's why I didn't make another one...GOD was working through your hands...GOD Bless...Have a fun safe St.Patrick's Day...Jp,everyone....I am going by the New Improved Train Station...Down the street....Pass out a few Boones Farms to the patrons of the park... :D ...Let everyone enjoy today... =D>
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Re: Happy St. Patrick's Day 2025

Postby kennyp72 on Tue Mar 18, 2025 5:26 am

KoolBak wrote:Keep praying. It's obviously helped your life so much to date.....


Allahu Akbar...
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Re: Happy St. Patrick's Day 2025

Postby KoolBak on Tue Mar 18, 2025 9:17 am

In "heaven" there is no beer !

That's why we drink it here
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Re: Happy St. Patrick's Day 2025

Postby Maxleod on Tue Mar 18, 2025 1:05 pm

jusplay4fun wrote:also:
Ireland is the land of Poets & Scholars. This is demonstrated by the 4 Irish winners of the Nobel Prize for Literature – more than any other country. Dublin is thus famous as a city of writers.




Not according to this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_N ... Literature

France 16, UK and USA 13, Germany 9, etc...
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Re: Happy St. Patrick's Day 2025

Postby jusplay4fun on Tue Mar 18, 2025 3:27 pm

Maxleod wrote:
jusplay4fun wrote:also:
Ireland is the land of Poets & Scholars. This is demonstrated by the 4 Irish winners of the Nobel Prize for Literature – more than any other country. Dublin is thus famous as a city of writers.




Not according to this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_N ... Literature

France 16, UK and USA 13, Germany 9, etc...


I did not fact check the source. Besides, are we trying to win a race or appreciate some Literature?

As of 2024, there have been 29 English-speaking laureates of the Nobel Prize in Literature, followed by French with 16 laureates and German with 14 laureates. France has the highest number of Nobel laureates.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Nobel_laureates_in_Literature#:~:text=As%20of%202024%2C%20there%20have,highest%20number%20of%20Nobel%20laureates.

and, same source:

The 121 Nobel laureates in literature from 1901 to 2024 came from the following countries:

Country Number
France 16
United States 13
United Kingdom 13
Germany 9
Sweden 8
Poland 6
Spain 6
Italy 6
Russia/ Soviet Union 5
Ireland 4
Norway 4
Denmark 3


AND:

8 Things Ireland is Famous For
For a small nation Ireland well and truly punches above her weight!

Think about it. The island of Ireland, north and south, has a population ranging approximately between 5 – 6 million people yet it’s one of the most famous countries in the world.

This, of course, is in large part due to the massive Irish diaspora that exists worldwide nowadays. According to various reports the global Irish diaspora totals approximately 60 – 80 million people! That’s a crazy figure for a small country like the Emerald Isle!

However, on top of that, Ireland is world-renowned because we’ve constantly impacted the globe in all manner of positive ways over the years.

We thought we’d list a few of the things Irish are famous for…as if you weren’t proud enough already!

(...)
Literature
The Emerald Isle has a long and fruitful relationship with literature and has consistently produced some of the best writers, novelists, poets and playwrights the world has had.

From the stream of consciousness, magnum opus style, Ulysses and Finnegans Wake of James Joyce to the quick one-liners and aestheticism of Oscar Wilde in The Picture of Dorian Gray and The Importance of Being Earnest, and much more, Ireland has made an indelible mark on the world of literature.

Names like W.B. Yeats and Brendan Behan also roll off the tongue and, in more modern times, we’ve seen the likes of Column McCann, Roddy Doyle, Iris Murdoch and Anne Enright join the fold.

(...)
Music
Ireland has an incredible history and connection to music. From Celtic ballads and Irish traditional music to the all-conquering rock and pop of U2, the Emerald Isle is known for her singers and songwriters.

U2 are probably the biggest musical export the country has ever produced. Bono, The Edge, Larry Mullen Jr. and Adam Clayton might have started from humble beginnings in the early 1980s but they went on to become all-conquering with hits like With or Without You, One, Where the Streets Have No Name and Beautiful Day. Not bad for a group of Dublin post-punks!

On a slightly different note, Sinead O’Connor, a native of Glenagery in County Dublin and named after Sinead De Valera, is one of Ireland’s most famous singer-songwriters and remains one of the country’s most controversial stars since her rise to prominence in the late 1980s.

The Irish songstress has had a long and successful career but remains best known worldwide for her unique cover of the Prince song Nothing Compares 2 U, released in 1990. The startlingly different take on the song paired with the music video of just her solo profile became a massive success and future releases have never matched the same heights.

Another songstress, Enya, grew up in an extremely musical family in the traditional gaeltacht area of Dore, Gweedore in County Donegal during the sixties and seventies before joining her first musical project, Clannad, in 1980.

https://emerald-heritage.com/blog/2017/8-things-ireland-is-famous-for

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Re: Happy St. Patrick's Day 2025

Postby Dukasaur on Tue Mar 18, 2025 3:36 pm

The original citation may have been about per capita numbers of poets, not absolute totals.

Not an expert, but I suspect they'd come out on top in a per capita ranking.
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Re: Happy St. Patrick's Day 2025

Postby jusplay4fun on Tue Mar 18, 2025 3:45 pm

Dukasaur wrote:The original citation may have been about per capita numbers of poets, not absolute totals.

Not an expert, but I suspect they'd come out on top in a per capita ranking.


I thought that, too, Duk, but did not see support for that:

https://stats.areppim.com/stats/stats_nobelxlitxcapita.htm
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Re: Happy St. Patrick's Day 2025

Postby jimboston on Tue Mar 18, 2025 3:57 pm

You can sum up the book “How the Irish Saved Civilization” in a few sentences. Basically it boils down to the claim that there were a lot of monks in Ireland who were copying books. There happened to be a lot of monks because of St. Patrick. The books were copied and saved because Ireland was somewhat distant from all the terrible things happening on mainland Europe and Britain. Therefore… by copying the books and saving this knowledge the Irish “saved” civilization.

I am a person of Irish descent, so I am inclined to believe any favorable opinion or narrative of Irish history/culture.

I don’t doubt that it is true that Irish monks copied and preserved many books. Taking this info and leaping to the conclusion that they therefore “SAVED” civilization is a stretch. It ignores that fact that Muslims in this same era did much more to save/preserve the knowledge of antiquity during this period. It ignores the fact that China was around. It perpetuates the myth that the “dark ages” were some collapse of civilization that almost ended humanity and that dragons and elves likely roamed Europe during this time period.

St. Patrick’s Day is just a day to get drunk… like the 4th of July, Cinco de Mayo, and Labor Day. Peace.
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Re: Happy St. Patrick's Day 2025

Postby jusplay4fun on Tue Mar 18, 2025 4:40 pm

WoW.....A blast from the Past. Welcome Back, JimB...! We need another voice to "stir the pot" in this Forum.

As for Cahill and his book, How the Irish Saved Civilization:

1) I believe that Cahill has Irish ancestry (so he will agree with Jim B).

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2) Cahill wrote the the book as the first of SIX volumes of History, and had two of those 6 books about the Jews. The series is called the Hinges of History. So he does have a greater view of History than just the Irish perspective.

When I mentioned this book in my Sunday School class on March 16, someone commented that there is the notion of how Ghengis Khan saved civilization, too. I am still not convinced of the validity of that idea.

....life of Genghis Khan. Almost all writers, even those who were in the Mongol service, have dwelt on the enormous destruction wrought by the Mongol invasions. (...)

His campaigns were merely larger in scale, more successful, and more lasting in effect than those of other leaders. They impinged more violently upon those sedentary peoples who had the habit of recording events in writing, and they affected a greater part of the Eurasian continent and a variety of different societies.

https://www.britannica.com/biography/Genghis-Khan

And yes, there is the notion that the Irish monks obtained the documents of the ancient Greeks and Romans via the Muslims/Arabs, too. The point is that the Irish did HELP preserve these documents and records of learning and ideas that even inspire US, even today. Carl Sagan waxed forelornly about the loss of civilization in his Cosmos series.

This discussion reminds me of the quote often attributed to JFK:
Success has many fathers and failure is an orphan.
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