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[Med]Redo How Bot Medals are Awarded

Postby chapcrap on Sat Dec 07, 2013 11:12 am

Concise description:
  • Design a more intuitive system for bot medals.

Specifics/Details:
    So, the current system is:
    • Bronze: 200 wins vs whamBot
    • Silver: Bronze + 200 wins vs SassboT
    • Gold: Silver + 200 wins vs saxibot
    • Platinum: Gold + 200 wins vs whatever level 4 bot is made

    I think it would be better (and what seems to be suggested here) if it was like this:
    • Bronze: 200 wins against any bot
    • Silver: 400 bot wins with a max of 200 coming from level 1 bot
    • Gold: 600 bot wins with a max of 200 coming from level 1 bot and a max of [400-(level 1 bot wins)] coming from level 2 bot
    • Platinum: 200 wins against level 4 bot + 600 more wins with a max of 200 coming from level 1 and max of [400 - (level 1 wins)] coming from level 2 bot.

How this will benefit the site and/or other comments:
  • Let's you play the 'smarter' bots and be rewarded for it sooner.
  • What's MORE deserving of a gold medal, the current system or 600 games against saxibot? Think about it. This is a no brainer.
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Re: Redo How Bot Medals are Awarded

Postby spiesr on Sat Dec 07, 2013 12:17 pm

Under your proposed system what would/should happen if someone obtained 200 wins against a Level 2 bot & got the Bronze for it and then obtained 200 wins against a Level 1 bot?
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Re: Redo How Bot Medals are Awarded

Postby chapcrap on Sat Dec 07, 2013 12:26 pm

spiesr wrote:Under your proposed system what would/should happen if someone obtained 200 wins against a Level 2 bot & got the Bronze for it and then obtained 200 wins against a Level 1 bot?

Well, it's not worded that way, but I think that should be silver too. So, the level 1 bot wins should bump up a level 2 win.
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Re: Redo How Bot Medals are Awarded

Postby agentcom on Sat Dec 07, 2013 5:40 pm

Makes sense to me. It was clear to me what you were saying, but maybe you should change the wording anyway because the technical rules that will be used would maybe look more like this:

Bronze: 200 bot wins
Silver: 400 bot wins and 200 of which v. SassBot or higher
Gold: 600 wins and 200 of which v. Saxi or higher
Plat: 800 wins and 200 of which v. Lvl 4 bot
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Re: Redo How Bot Medals are Awarded

Postby chapcrap on Sat Dec 07, 2013 11:46 pm

agentcom wrote:Makes sense to me. It was clear to me what you were saying, but maybe you should change the wording anyway because the technical rules that will be used would maybe look more like this:

Bronze: 200 bot wins
Silver: 400 bot wins and 200 of which v. SassBot or higher
Gold: 600 wins and 200 of which v. Saxi or higher
Plat: 800 wins and 200 of which v. Lvl 4 bot

That's also a little off from what it is. In yours it sounds like you could play 600 level 1 games and 200 level 4 for platinum. I'll reword the OP.
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Re: Redo How Bot Medals are Awarded

Postby Metsfanmax on Sun Dec 08, 2013 6:55 pm

This is not necessarily more intuitive. It wouldn't be obvious that you'd need a certain fraction of wins against the higher bots for the better medals. However, I do agree that this makes more sense.
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Re: Redo How Bot Medals are Awarded

Postby chapcrap on Sun Dec 08, 2013 7:56 pm

Metsfanmax wrote:This is not necessarily more intuitive. It wouldn't be obvious that you'd need a certain fraction of wins against the higher bots for the better medals. However, I do agree that this makes more sense.

Well, not more intuitive to code, but more intuitive for medals to be awarded is what I meant. It came from the Q&A Forum because someone was asking why they weren't getting awarded wins toward the bronze medal for beating saxibot (level 3). That's what I meant by intuitive.
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Re: Redo How Bot Medals are Awarded

Postby agentcom on Sun Dec 08, 2013 10:37 pm

chapcrap wrote:
agentcom wrote:Makes sense to me. It was clear to me what you were saying, but maybe you should change the wording anyway because the technical rules that will be used would maybe look more like this:

Bronze: 200 bot wins
Silver: 400 bot wins and 200 of which v. SassBot or higher
Gold: 600 wins and 200 of which v. Saxi or higher
Plat: 800 wins and 200 of which v. Lvl 4 bot

That's also a little off from what it is. In yours it sounds like you could play 600 level 1 games and 200 level 4 for platinum. I'll reword the OP.



Dammit, you're right.

I guess what I'm trying to say is

Bronze: 200 bot wins
Silver: 400 bot wins, 200 of which v. Sass or higher
Gold: 600 wins, 200 of which v. Sass or higher, 200 more v. Saxi or higher
Plat: 800 wins, ditto, ditto, 200 more v. Lvl 4 bot or higher

... and now it sounds as confusing as any other way that it's been presented. But we're all talking about the same thing.

So, not a platinum medal:

600 whambot games and 200 lvl 4 games would not be a platinum

Is a platinum medal:

600 Saxi games and 200 lvl 4 games would be; or

800 Lvl 4 games would also qualify
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Re: Redo How Bot Medals are Awarded

Postby The Voice on Wed Dec 11, 2013 12:54 pm

I support this.
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Re: Redo How Bot Medals are Awarded

Postby owenshooter on Tue Jan 21, 2014 2:06 pm

i don't know, my wins don't even show up against the bots in my medal stats... i am just kind of "whatever" at this point... the black jesus has weighed in...-el Jesus negro
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Re: Redo How Bot Medals are Awarded

Postby betiko on Tue Jan 21, 2014 2:38 pm

Even if it doesn t concern me anymore.. Any of these bots is a freaking pain in the butt to have to be faced that many times.
I really had to be a filthy medal slut to go for it.

Other than this, chap s suggextion makes total sense. If you have 200 sassbot wins and 0 whambot wins... You re at 0 unike kills.... A bit dumb.
Only problem is that it s difficult to word syntheticly.
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Re: Redo How Bot Medals are Awarded

Postby DoomYoshi on Tue Jan 21, 2014 8:09 pm

I support this.
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Re: Redo How Bot Medals are Awarded

Postby macbone on Tue Jan 28, 2014 6:08 am

Looks good to me, too.
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Re: Redo How Bot Medals are Awarded

Postby cooldeals on Tue Jan 28, 2014 11:57 am

I support this too.
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Re: Redo How Bot Medals are Awarded

Postby IcePack on Wed Jan 29, 2014 5:05 pm

+1 here in support
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Re: Redo How Bot Medals are Awarded

Postby sundance123 on Thu Jan 30, 2014 12:56 pm

I support this.
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Re: Redo How Bot Medals are Awarded

Postby Metsfanmax on Tue Feb 04, 2014 7:51 pm

Almost ready to submit, but the wording needs to be cleaned up. I don't think it says what we want it to say (especially the gold medal).
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Re: Redo How Bot Medals are Awarded

Postby chapcrap on Tue Feb 04, 2014 10:06 pm

Metsfanmax wrote:Almost ready to submit, but the wording needs to be cleaned up. I don't think it says what we want it to say (especially the gold medal).

Better?
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Re: Redo How Bot Medals are Awarded

Postby Metsfanmax on Tue Feb 04, 2014 10:38 pm

Now I think platinum is inconsistent. Should be:

800 bot wins with a max of 200 coming from level 1 bot, a max of 400 coming from level 2 bot, and a max of 600 coming from level 3 bot.

I think you should remove the part where you subtract off the wins on the lower levels to determine the cap. It amounts to saying that I can't count as many level 2 bot wins towards a gold medal because I made the mistake of winning on the lower levels.
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Re: Redo How Bot Medals are Awarded

Postby chapcrap on Tue Feb 04, 2014 10:49 pm

Metsfanmax wrote:Now I think platinum is inconsistent. Should be:

800 bot wins with a max of 200 coming from level 1 bot, a max of 400 coming from level 2 bot, and a max of 600 coming from level 3 bot.

I think you should remove the part where you subtract off the wins on the lower levels to determine the cap. It amounts to saying that I can't count as many level 2 bot wins towards a gold medal because I made the mistake of winning on the lower levels.

No, if you remove it, then it's counting too many lower level games. It would be saying that for platinum, you could get 200 level 1, 400 level 2, and 200 level 4. Having the 400-level 1 bot ensures that, at most, 400 wins come from level 2 or lower.

Either way, I think bW would understand what we're wanting with this.
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Re: Redo How Bot Medals are Awarded

Postby Metsfanmax on Tue Feb 04, 2014 10:56 pm

chapcrap wrote:
Metsfanmax wrote:Now I think platinum is inconsistent. Should be:

800 bot wins with a max of 200 coming from level 1 bot, a max of 400 coming from level 2 bot, and a max of 600 coming from level 3 bot.

I think you should remove the part where you subtract off the wins on the lower levels to determine the cap. It amounts to saying that I can't count as many level 2 bot wins towards a gold medal because I made the mistake of winning on the lower levels.

No, if you remove it, then it's counting too many lower level games. It would be saying that for platinum, you could get 200 level 1, 400 level 2, and 200 level 4. Having the 400-level 1 bot ensures that, at most, 400 wins come from level 2 or lower.


Your formula doesn't quite work out because if I have 400 level 1 bot wins, it means that I can't have any level 2 bot wins contribute, but only 200 of my level 1 bot wins contribute (which doesn't make much sense).

Honestly we just should give him what agentcom wrote:

Bronze: 200 bot wins
Silver: 400 bot wins, 200 of which v. Sass or higher
Gold: 600 wins, 200 of which v. Sass or higher, 200 more v. Saxi or higher
Plat: 800 wins, ditto, ditto, 200 more v. Lvl 4 bot or higher


And let the big guy determine how he wants to code that.
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Re: Redo How Bot Medals are Awarded

Postby chapcrap on Wed Feb 05, 2014 12:28 pm

Metsfanmax wrote:
chapcrap wrote:
Metsfanmax wrote:Now I think platinum is inconsistent. Should be:

800 bot wins with a max of 200 coming from level 1 bot, a max of 400 coming from level 2 bot, and a max of 600 coming from level 3 bot.

I think you should remove the part where you subtract off the wins on the lower levels to determine the cap. It amounts to saying that I can't count as many level 2 bot wins towards a gold medal because I made the mistake of winning on the lower levels.

No, if you remove it, then it's counting too many lower level games. It would be saying that for platinum, you could get 200 level 1, 400 level 2, and 200 level 4. Having the 400-level 1 bot ensures that, at most, 400 wins come from level 2 or lower.


Your formula doesn't quite work out because if I have 400 level 1 bot wins, it means that I can't have any level 2 bot wins contribute, but only 200 of my level 1 bot wins contribute (which doesn't make much sense).

Honestly we just should give him what agentcom wrote:

Bronze: 200 bot wins
Silver: 400 bot wins, 200 of which v. Sass or higher
Gold: 600 wins, 200 of which v. Sass or higher, 200 more v. Saxi or higher
Plat: 800 wins, ditto, ditto, 200 more v. Lvl 4 bot or higher


And let the big guy determine how he wants to code that.

Ok, you're right. That's fine with me Mets. I can't edit now. If you want to, feel free, otherwise, I'll do it later.
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Re: Redo How Bot Medals are Awarded

Postby agentcom on Mon Feb 17, 2014 1:51 am

Happy to help :)
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Re: Redo How Bot Medals are Awarded

Postby spiesr on Sat Aug 16, 2014 10:03 pm

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Re: Redo How Bot Medals are Awarded

Postby stahrgazer on Sun Aug 17, 2014 1:21 am

chapcrap wrote:
spiesr wrote:Under your proposed system what would/should happen if someone obtained 200 wins against a Level 2 bot & got the Bronze for it and then obtained 200 wins against a Level 1 bot?

Well, it's not worded that way, ...


Yes, it is.

Your original post clearly indicates that for any medals, only x amount can be against the lesser bots.

Bronze: 200 wins against any bot
Silver: 400 bot wins with a max of 200 coming from level 1 bot
Gold: 600 bot wins with a max of 200 coming from level 1 bot and a max of [400-(level 1 bot wins)] coming from level 2 bot
Platinum: 200 wins against level 4 bot + 600 more wins with a max of 200 coming from level 1 and max of [400 - (level 1 wins)] coming from level 2 bot.


So. They could play higher bots first, then lower bots, and still get all the medals. Nothing wrong with that.

OR they could choose to play very few of their games against lower bots to get their medals, and get them as long as they meet the number requirement and as long as they play at least a minimum against the higher bots.
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