Russia started airstrikes in Syria, and it's a game changer!

[mrswdk]

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Another victory for the Chinese civilization state.

[betiko]

We were still outnumbered by 40% compared to germany before WW2, and "just" lost 1,5% of our population there.

The USSR lost 15% of its population and never surrendered.

the USSR lost less than 2% of it's population during WW1 so I guess that makes Stalin a better leader than Lenin? Thank you saxi brown.

[saxitoxin]

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/russia-launches-first-air-strikes-in-syria-live-a6673751.html
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... -live.html
https://twitter.com/search?q=russia+bom ... _src=twsrc^google|twcamp^serp|twgr^search
http://www.vox.com/2015/9/30/9423229/ru ... isis-syria

Yep, good job hitting one of the places that does NOT have ISIS forces and has been actively fighting AGAINST ISIS.

Pierre Elliot Trudeau did that when Putin was still at junior spy school.

[saxitoxin]

Westerners are still mad that the man who accomplished the single-greatest feat in human history was a 5'2" tall Russian and that this can never be outdone. You can only cross the finish line once.

[GoranZ]

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/russia-launches-first-air-strikes-in-syria-live-a6673751.html
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... -live.html
https://twitter.com/search?q=russia+bom ... _src=twsrc^google|twcamp^serp|twgr^search
http://www.vox.com/2015/9/30/9423229/ru ... isis-syria

Yep, good job hitting one of the places that does NOT have ISIS forces and has been actively fighting AGAINST ISIS.

Russians are targeting locations they identify as ISIS locations, I wont be surprised if US didn't classify those locations as ISIS locations, after all US are bombing ISIS for over a year with absolutely no success, and Obama claims it will take 30 years to defeat ISIS.

No, the Russians are clearly targeting those that have been fighting ISIS since this whole thing started. The US and allies have actually been targeting ISIS from the air while the Kurds hit them on the ground. The Russians targeted a region that does NOT have any ISIS members in it.

Just for you, attacks on Al-Nusra Front today... I guess any potential ISIS member for tomorrow is potential target today.

[saxitoxin]

Just for you, attacks on Al-Nusra Front today... I guess any potential ISIS member for tomorrow is potential target today.

Meanwhile, the U.S.' contribution to the war effort ...

Pentagon-trained rebels in Syria are reported to have betrayed their American backers and handed their weapons over to al-Qaeda in Syria immediately after re-entering the country. Fighters with Division 30, the “moderate” rebel division favoured by the United States, surrendered to the al-Qaeda-affiliated Jabhat al-Nusra, a raft of sources claimed on Monday night.

The latest disaster, if true, will be the second to befall the programme. Last month, after the first group of fighters re-entered, the militia was immediately attacked and routed by Jabhat al-Nusra, which stormed its headquarters and kidnapped all of its members.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... Syria.html

Please stop trying to "help," America. Let the professionals from Moscow handle this.

[riskllama]

Westerners are still mad that the man who accomplished the single-greatest feat in human history was a 5'2" tall Russian and that this can never be outdone. You can only cross the finish line once.

let's not gloss over the fact that one of his arms was 2" shorter than the other!!!

[notyou2]

More about the disgusting itinerant fascist warmonger Bernie Sanders from Counter-Punch -

Even so, while Bernie may come across as sincere about class politics, make no mistake, he is a militarist that isn’t about to challenge U.S. supremacy. He supported the ugly war on Kosovo, the invasion of Afghanistan, funding for the endless Iraq disaster as well as the losing and misguided War on Terror. He voted in favor of Clinton’s 1996 Anti-Terrorism and Effective Death Penalty Act, which expanded the federal death penalty and acted as the precursor to the PATRIOT Act.

As for Israel, Bernie has been a hawkish advocate that would never halt the $3 billion the U.S. government sends to the country every year. Last summer he backed Israel’s murderous bombing of Gaza. He’s even had some nasty words about Palestine’s right to resist. It shouldn’t come as a surprise then that several former members of Bernie’s staff have also been employed by AIPAC, including Israel apologists David Sirota and Joel Barkin. His is a disgusting record. Want to change in the U.S.’s meddling in the Middle East? Bernie isn’t your guy.

http://www.counterpunch.org/2015/06/03/ ... -dead-end/

So who is the guy that will deliver change?

[notyou2]

Just for you, attacks on Al-Nusra Front today... I guess any potential ISIS member for tomorrow is potential target today.

Meanwhile, the U.S.' contribution to the war effort ...

Pentagon-trained rebels in Syria are reported to have betrayed their American backers and handed their weapons over to al-Qaeda in Syria immediately after re-entering the country. Fighters with Division 30, the “moderate” rebel division favoured by the United States, surrendered to the al-Qaeda-affiliated Jabhat al-Nusra, a raft of sources claimed on Monday night.

The latest disaster, if true, will be the second to befall the programme. Last month, after the first group of fighters re-entered, the militia was immediately attacked and routed by Jabhat al-Nusra, which stormed its headquarters and kidnapped all of its members.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... Syria.html

Please stop trying to "help," America. Let the professionals from Moscow handle this.

Saxi your source doesn't understand the difference between betray and surrender.

[AndyDufresne]

I like saxi's slobbering in this topic too!


--Andy

[jimboston]

Can you all please change the title of the thread to something more accurate?

That might be "Russia started hitting anti-Assad forces in Syria, and it's a game changer."
... or if you think that is biased then use a non-biased title like...

"Russia started airstrike in Syria, and it's a game changer!"
That title can not be disputed.

... also, for the record, here's a quote from Stalin.

"Great Britain provided time; the United States provided money and Soviet Russia provided blood."
- Stalin

I think most historians would agree with this. It's impossible to predict how things would have worked out differently if any of these three countries engaged (or didn't engage) Germany in a different manner or at a different time. Put another way, it's reasonable to believe that the defeat of Nazi Germany required the actions of all three countries. If England had been more aggressive early they may have been knocked out early. The US couldn't get involved earlier because the idea was not supported by the majority of American's. In fact a fair percentage of Americans wanted to support Germany. If the US got involved earlier without a clear mandate from it's people, our efforts may have come up short.

I don't know if the 15% number Saxi is throwing out it accurate or not. Regardless it's well accepted fact that vast numbers of Russian people died fighting Germany. Trying to knock down Saxi's assertion that Russian sacrificed a lot is not fair to the memory of those people. Stalin may have been a monster (that would be a separate thread)... but regardless of your opinion of Stalin or the Soviet Union, you can't debate the sacrifice of the Russian People.

[mrswdk]

America bombs anti-Assad forces: heroes of justice.

Russia bombs anti-Assad forces: evil cancer of the world.

[subtleknifewield]

We were still outnumbered by 40% compared to germany before WW2, and "just" lost 1,5% of our population there.

The USSR lost 15% of its population and never surrendered.

Russia had the numbers to lose. The other countries (aside from the US, which was in the middle of economic depression) did not.

Westerners are still mad that the man who accomplished the single-greatest feat in human history was a 5'2" tall Russian and that this can never be outdone. You can only cross the finish line once.

Stalin was a murderous, paranoid thug who was simply out for his own survival.

Can you all please change the title of the thread to something more accurate?

That might be "Russia started hitting anti-Assad forces in Syria, and it's a game changer."
... or if you think that is biased then use a non-biased title like...

"Russia started airstrike in Syria, and it's a game changer!"
That title can not be disputed.

... also, for the record, here's a quote from Stalin.

"Great Britain provided time; the United States provided money and Soviet Russia provided blood."
- Stalin

I think most historians would agree with this. It's impossible to predict how things would have worked out differently if any of these three countries engaged (or didn't engage) Germany in a different manner or at a different time. Put another way, it's reasonable to believe that the defeat of Nazi Germany required the actions of all three countries. If England had been more aggressive early they may have been knocked out early. The US couldn't get involved earlier because the idea was not supported by the majority of American's. In fact a fair percentage of Americans wanted to support Germany. If the US got involved earlier without a clear mandate from it's people, our efforts may have come up short.

I don't know if the 15% number Saxi is throwing out it accurate or not. Regardless it's well accepted fact that vast numbers of Russian people died fighting Germany. Trying to knock down Saxi's assertion that Russian sacrificed a lot is not fair to the memory of those people. Stalin may have been a monster (that would be a separate thread)... but regardless of your opinion of Stalin or the Soviet Union, you can't debate the sacrifice of the Russian People.

Yes, the people, sure, but he's trying to make it out that Russia is the sole savior of the world in this case...when in fact at the start of the war Germany and Russia invaded Poland together because they had a non-aggression pact with each other. :V

There is also the fact that Germany attacked Russia, not the other way around.

[betiko]

Doom, your signature supposedly quoting me is some very aproximative spanish... Google translate spanish.

Regarding this issue: i don t fucking care who does it, but we need to get rid of isis. It isn t as simple as bombing them though, things are a bit more subtile than this.

[saxitoxin]

We were still outnumbered by 40% compared to germany before WW2, and "just" lost 1,5% of our population there.

The USSR lost 15% of its population and never surrendered.

Russia had the numbers to lose. The other countries (aside from the US, which was in the middle of economic depression) did not.

Westerners are still mad that the man who accomplished the single-greatest feat in human history was a 5'2" tall Russian and that this can never be outdone. You can only cross the finish line once.

Stalin was a murderous, paranoid thug who was simply out for his own survival.

Can you all please change the title of the thread to something more accurate?

That might be "Russia started hitting anti-Assad forces in Syria, and it's a game changer."
... or if you think that is biased then use a non-biased title like...

"Russia started airstrike in Syria, and it's a game changer!"
That title can not be disputed.

... also, for the record, here's a quote from Stalin.

"Great Britain provided time; the United States provided money and Soviet Russia provided blood."
- Stalin

I think most historians would agree with this. It's impossible to predict how things would have worked out differently if any of these three countries engaged (or didn't engage) Germany in a different manner or at a different time. Put another way, it's reasonable to believe that the defeat of Nazi Germany required the actions of all three countries. If England had been more aggressive early they may have been knocked out early. The US couldn't get involved earlier because the idea was not supported by the majority of American's. In fact a fair percentage of Americans wanted to support Germany. If the US got involved earlier without a clear mandate from it's people, our efforts may have come up short.

I don't know if the 15% number Saxi is throwing out it accurate or not. Regardless it's well accepted fact that vast numbers of Russian people died fighting Germany. Trying to knock down Saxi's assertion that Russian sacrificed a lot is not fair to the memory of those people. Stalin may have been a monster (that would be a separate thread)... but regardless of your opinion of Stalin or the Soviet Union, you can't debate the sacrifice of the Russian People.

Yes, the people, sure, but he's trying to make it out that Russia is the sole savior of the world in this case...when in fact at the start of the war Germany and Russia invaded Poland together because they had a non-aggression pact with each other. :V

There is also the fact that Germany attacked Russia, not the other way around.

That's COL Yuri Gagarin - not Stalin! Stalin was 5'6" IIRC, not 5'2".

As for Poland:

(a) Poland deserved it. In 1938 Germany threatened Czechoslovakia with invasion. Czechoslovakia had the best-equipped land forces in central Europe bar none and could have fought-off Germany if that's all it faced. However, Poland and Hungary also joined Germany in making land claims against Czechoslovakia, which Hitler supported. At that time, the Red Army Air Force sent a squadron of bombers CZ to aid in the defense of Czechoslovakia if it became necessary. When the UK and France abandoned Czechoslovakia, the USSR decided it was too much effort to potentially risk fighting Germany, Poland, and Hungary by itself and withdrew its air support. With the combined German, Hungarian, and Polish armies facing Czechoslovakia, they surrendered. Ergo, when Poland was attacked by Germany the following year it was made to sleep in the bed it had made.

(b) Poland deserved it. The USSR primarily simply reintegrated historic Russian territories that Poland had captured from it in 1922 when Poland itself launched a surprise attack on the USSR during the confusion after the Russian Revolution as part of a land grab. In other words, most of the territory the Soviet Union "captured" had only been Polish for 17 years.

(c) The Soviet entry into Poland didn't come for more than 45 days after the German entry. The primary reason the USSR entered Poland was because they saw Polish defenses collapsing and didn't want the German army sitting on their border without a buffer.

(d) Stalin was Georgian, not Russian. Georgia is a U.S./Western ally.

[subtleknifewield]

I suppose Finland deserved it too, amirite?

[saxitoxin]

I suppose Finland deserved it too, amirite?

The same Finland that was the ally of Nazi Germany?

What's next - "poor Mussolini, victim of Russian aggression!" ?

[subtleknifewield]

I suppose Finland deserved it too, amirite?

The same Finland that was the ally of Nazi Germany?

The same Finland that was attacked by Russia without provocation. They were simply fighting Russia because they were attacked, they did not ally with Nazi Germany out of choice. Check your facts.

As for Mussolini, he abdicated before hostilities betwen Italy and Germany began, he's irrelevant to this discussion.

[saxitoxin]

I suppose Finland deserved it too, amirite?

The same Finland that was the ally of Nazi Germany?

The same Finland that was attacked by Russia without provocation. They were simply fighting Russia because they were attacked, they did not ally with Nazi Germany out of choice.

You sound like you're doing a good job defending the Axis Powers so I'll let you to it.

[subtleknifewield]

I suppose Finland deserved it too, amirite?

The same Finland that was the ally of Nazi Germany?

The same Finland that was attacked by Russia without provocation. They were simply fighting Russia because they were attacked, they did not ally with Nazi Germany out of choice.

You sound like you're doing a good job defending the Axis Powers so I'll let you to it.

Ah, I see now what your response is to logical reasoning. I'll leave you to your whitewashed version of Russian history.

[subtleknifewield]

In short, none of the major players in WWII were saints.

[saxitoxin]

I suppose Finland deserved it too, amirite?

The same Finland that was the ally of Nazi Germany?

The same Finland that was attacked by Russia without provocation. They were simply fighting Russia because they were attacked, they did not ally with Nazi Germany out of choice.

You sound like you're doing a good job defending the Axis Powers so I'll let you to it.

Ah, I see now what your response is to logical reasoning. I'll leave you to your whitewashed version of Russian history.

[subtleknifewield]

Not in English, therefore irrelevant :V

[saxitoxin]

Also, recall that thanks to the USSR, Poland actually ended the war with a net increase in territory since the Red Army captured Prussia which it selflessly gave to Poland, territory that Poland continues to enjoy to this day.