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Dukasaur wrote:saxitoxin wrote:taking medical advice from this creature; a morbidly obese man who is 100% convinced he willed himself into becoming a woman.
Your obsession with mrswdk is really sad.
ConfederateSS wrote:Just because people are idiots... Doesn't make them wrong.
Symmetry wrote:Hey Duk- you thought he wasn't about celebrating Nazis. This is who he is.
Dukasaur wrote:Symmetry wrote:Hey Duk- you thought he wasn't about celebrating Nazis. This is who he is.
I'm glad we had this conversation last time. You certainly opened my eyes to the fact that Manstein was a rabid Nazi who willingly committed war crimes and asked permission to commit even more.
That being said, it's not the kind of thing most people know about. To most students of history, Manstein was just the genius who developed Case Yellow and later Operation Storfang. I know when I was a kid and devouring every book I could find about WWII, there was never any mention of Manstein's politics. Every single author I read was glowing in his admiration for the genius of Case Yellow and how it paved the way for France's early exit from the war.
Most German generals vaguely disapproved of the Nazis, while feeling obligated to carry out their duty and serve the lawfully-established government. A soldier is supposed to ignore politics or at least keep his opinions under his hat. If anyone had asked me, I would have assumed that Manstein was in this category also. The links you PMd me last time really opened my eyes to the fact that wasn't the case. Still, at the risk of repeating myself, it's not widely known.
Perhaps instead of making it personal and obsessing about one of our members, you'd be better served by providing people with solid information on this subject.
Dukasaur wrote:Symmetry wrote:Hey Duk- you thought he wasn't about celebrating Nazis. This is who he is.
I'm glad we had this conversation last time. You certainly opened my eyes to the fact that Manstein was a rabid Nazi who willingly committed war crimes and asked permission to commit even more.
That being said, it's not the kind of thing most people know about. To most students of history, Manstein was just the genius who developed Case Yellow and later Operation Storfang. I know when I was a kid and devouring every book I could find about WWII, there was never any mention of Manstein's politics. Every single author I read was glowing in his admiration for the genius of Case Yellow and how it paved the way for France's early exit from the war.
Most German generals vaguely disapproved of the Nazis, while feeling obligated to carry out their duty and serve the lawfully-established government. A soldier is supposed to ignore politics or at least keep his opinions under his hat. If anyone had asked me, I would have assumed that Manstein was in this category also. The links you PMd me last time really opened my eyes to the fact that wasn't the case. Still, at the risk of repeating myself, it's not widely known.
Perhaps instead of making it personal and obsessing about one of our members, you'd be better served by providing people with solid information on this subject.
ConfederateSS wrote:------And Rommel,Lee,Jackson,Napoleon,Caesar...etc...Don't Worry I haven't forgotten Manstein's opposite number....Gen.Zhukov's birthday on Dec. 1st....Deal with it...Who do you want on the battlefield...Obama?.....Or a bad ass S.O.B. like PATTON?....He's horrible,he slap a loser and told him to get up...
------Now,Manstein hated Hitler...Hitler hated the Prussians of which Manstein was...In fact the 2 of them argued many times,until Hitler got rid of Manstein,as it turns out,another Prussian would try and kill Hitler,Count von Steffenburg... Manstein was fighting for Prussia/Germany his homeland...Manstein had no say who was in charge at the time...In war you want the meanest s.o.b. you can find,not a cupcake...You know ,it is going to come down to killing on the battlefield...
------Now Manstein was tried for War crimes,many of his enemies came out to defend him at Nuremberg...Churchill,Zhukov,Eisenhower...Some top big wigs...Are those who spit on Manstein,equal to such men,enemies who would come to his defense,I think not...WHO THE HELL ARE YOU TO PASS JUDGEMENT,A TOP GENERAL,A TOP PRESIDENT?NO!!!!!!...
------Manstein served his time in prison...WAS RELEASED,TO GO AND LEAD NATO...SOUNDS LIKE ONCE AGAIN TOP PEOPLE IN THE WORLD WENT TO THE MAN ,MANSTEIN ,FORGAVE THE FACT OF WHAT SIDE HE FOUGHT ON IN WORLD WAR 2...Because they knew what kind of Military man he was...Not a political one.....If this was America,he would commit a crime,get deported 10 times,only to keep committing crimes,let go ,so on and so on...Hurry for liberals...
------You see Manstein served his time and went on to lead the world in a acceptable capacity for society,MANKIND...WHAT HAVE YOU DONE? ...YOU CAN LEARN FROM YOUR ENEMIES,OR YOU CAN BE A BLIND SPITEFUL HARDASS,WHO THINKS,THEY KNOW EVERYTHING,EVERYONE HAS TO BOW DOWN TO THEIR BELIEFS...SHUT THE HELL UP!...If Great
men such as Churchill,Zhukov,Esienhower can respect and admire Gen.Manstein...SO CAN I...... ConfederateSS.out!(The Blue and Silver Rebellion)...
ConfederateSS wrote:------And Rommel,Lee,Jackson,Napoleon,Caesar...etc...Don't Worry I haven't forgotten Manstein's opposite number....Gen.Zhukov's birthday on Dec. 1st....Deal with it...Who do you want on the battlefield...Obama?.....Or a bad ass S.O.B. like PATTON?....He's horrible,he slap a loser and told him to get up...
------Now,Manstein hated Hitler...Hitler hated the Prussians of which Manstein was...In fact the 2 of them argued many times,until Hitler got rid of Manstein,as it turns out,another Prussian would try and kill Hitler,Count von Steffenburg... Manstein was fighting for Prussia/Germany his homeland...Manstein had no say who was in charge at the time...In war you want the meanest s.o.b. you can find,not a cupcake...You know ,it is going to come down to killing on the battlefield...
------Now Manstein was tried for War crimes,many of his enemies came out to defend him at Nuremberg...Churchill,Zhukov,Eisenhower...Some top big wigs...Are those who spit on Manstein,equal to such men,enemies who would come to his defense,I think not...WHO THE HELL ARE YOU TO PASS JUDGEMENT,A TOP GENERAL,A TOP PRESIDENT?NO!!!!!!...
------Manstein served his time in prison...WAS RELEASED,TO GO AND LEAD NATO...SOUNDS LIKE ONCE AGAIN TOP PEOPLE IN THE WORLD WENT TO THE MAN ,MANSTEIN ,FORGAVE THE FACT OF WHAT SIDE HE FOUGHT ON IN WORLD WAR 2...Because they knew what kind of Military man he was...Not a political one.....If this was America,he would commit a crime,get deported 10 times,only to keep committing crimes,let go ,so on and so on...Hurry for liberals...
------You see Manstein served his time and went on to lead the world in a acceptable capacity for society,MANKIND...WHAT HAVE YOU DONE? ...YOU CAN LEARN FROM YOUR ENEMIES,OR YOU CAN BE A BLIND SPITEFUL HARDASS,WHO THINKS,THEY KNOW EVERYTHING,EVERYONE HAS TO BOW DOWN TO THEIR BELIEFS...SHUT THE HELL UP!...If Great
men such as Churchill,Zhukov,Esienhower can respect and admire Gen.Manstein...SO CAN I...... ConfederateSS.out!(The Blue and Silver Rebellion)...
Metsfanmax wrote:Dukasaur wrote:Symmetry wrote:Hey Duk- you thought he wasn't about celebrating Nazis. This is who he is.
I'm glad we had this conversation last time. You certainly opened my eyes to the fact that Manstein was a rabid Nazi who willingly committed war crimes and asked permission to commit even more.
That being said, it's not the kind of thing most people know about. To most students of history, Manstein was just the genius who developed Case Yellow and later Operation Storfang. I know when I was a kid and devouring every book I could find about WWII, there was never any mention of Manstein's politics. Every single author I read was glowing in his admiration for the genius of Case Yellow and how it paved the way for France's early exit from the war.
Most German generals vaguely disapproved of the Nazis, while feeling obligated to carry out their duty and serve the lawfully-established government. A soldier is supposed to ignore politics or at least keep his opinions under his hat. If anyone had asked me, I would have assumed that Manstein was in this category also. The links you PMd me last time really opened my eyes to the fact that wasn't the case. Still, at the risk of repeating myself, it's not widely known.
Perhaps instead of making it personal and obsessing about one of our members, you'd be better served by providing people with solid information on this subject.
This is a person whose username contains "SS" and who went out of his way to celebrate Manstein's birthday. Do you think he's under any illusions about who he is talking about?
waauw wrote:Rommel would've been a better figure to emulate.
Symmetry wrote:Let's be really clear about this- Manstein was a Nazi and he was a leading Nazi. He was one of the monsters who directed the Holocaust.
He deceived a lot of people after the war into thinking that he was just a guy doing his duty. That's a lie that's been disproved so many times.
2dimes wrote:Symmetry wrote:Let's be really clear about this- Manstein was a Nazi and he was a leading Nazi. He was one of the monsters who directed the Holocaust.
He deceived a lot of people after the war into thinking that he was just a guy doing his duty. That's a lie that's been disproved so many times.
Sure, but is that any reason to ruin the guys birthday?
ConfederateSS wrote:------And Rommel,Lee,Jackson,Napoleon,Caesar...etc...Don't Worry I haven't forgotten Manstein's opposite number....Gen.Zhukov's birthday on Dec. 1st....Deal with it...Who do you want on the battlefield...Obama?.....Or a bad ass S.O.B. like PATTON?....He's horrible,he slap a loser and told him to get up...
ConfederateSS wrote:------Now,Manstein hated Hitler...Hitler hated the Prussians of which Manstein was...In fact the 2 of them argued many times,until Hitler got rid of Manstein,as it turns out,another Prussian would try and kill Hitler,Count von Steffenburg... Manstein was fighting for Prussia/Germany his homeland...Manstein had no say who was in charge at the time...In war you want the meanest s.o.b. you can find,not a cupcake...You know ,it is going to come down to killing on the battlefield...
ConfederateSS wrote:------Now Manstein was tried for War crimes,many of his enemies came out to defend him at Nuremberg...Churchill,Zhukov,Eisenhower...Some top big wigs...Are those who spit on Manstein,equal to such men,enemies who would come to his defense,I think not...WHO THE HELL ARE YOU TO PASS JUDGEMENT,A TOP GENERAL,A TOP PRESIDENT?NO!!!!!!...
ConfederateSS wrote:------Manstein served his time in prison...WAS RELEASED,TO GO AND LEAD NATO...SOUNDS LIKE ONCE AGAIN TOP PEOPLE IN THE WORLD WENT TO THE MAN ,MANSTEIN ,FORGAVE THE FACT OF WHAT SIDE HE FOUGHT ON IN WORLD WAR 2...Because they knew what kind of Military man he was...Not a political one.....If this was America,he would commit a crime,get deported 10 times,only to keep committing crimes,let go ,so on and so on...Hurry for liberals...
ConfederateSS wrote:------You see Manstein served his time and went on to lead the world in a acceptable capacity for society,MANKIND...WHAT HAVE YOU DONE? ...YOU CAN LEARN FROM YOUR ENEMIES,OR YOU CAN BE A BLIND SPITEFUL HARDASS,WHO THINKS,THEY KNOW EVERYTHING,EVERYONE HAS TO BOW DOWN TO THEIR BELIEFS...SHUT THE HELL UP!...If Great
men such as Churchill,Zhukov,Esienhower can respect and admire Gen.Manstein...SO CAN I...... ConfederateSS.out!(The Blue and Silver Rebellion)...
Dukasaur wrote:saxitoxin wrote:taking medical advice from this creature; a morbidly obese man who is 100% convinced he willed himself into becoming a woman.
Your obsession with mrswdk is really sad.
ConfederateSS wrote:Just because people are idiots... Doesn't make them wrong.
Army of GOD wrote:I can't tell if ConfederateSS can't write a coherent post or if I had a stroke
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