The DoomYoshi Musings thread

[DoomYoshi]

It's not suffering.

They are Russian citizens. If they want to become Canadians, they should go through the usual process, not get handed a free pass because their parents successfully invaded.

This isn't about punishment for parents' sins. This is about being rewarded for parents' sins.

If my father is a murderer, why should I get a free yacht and pony? It does not follow logically.

[nietzsche]

this is why i think you being a pastor is simply your way to ultimately troll.

it makes no sense you think like that, you're not dumb.


say the guy has spy in his blood, you keep an eye on him the way the canadian government surely keeps an eye on certain suspects. but meanwhile, the right thing to do is to give him a chance.

[Dukasaur]

If they want to become Canadians, they should go through the usual process, not get handed a free pass because their parents successfully invaded.

That's not the standard we use for every other group.

A great many people are, in fact, the descendants of various invaders.

[DoomYoshi]

this is why i think you being a pastor is simply your way to ultimately troll.

it makes no sense you think like that, you're not dumb.


say the guy has spy in his blood, you keep an eye on him the way the canadian government surely keeps an eye on certain suspects. but meanwhile, the right thing to do is to give him a chance.

The only reason he has a chance is due to illegal and legitimately anti-Canadian activities.

We have actual laws written about this:

Not applicable to children of foreign diplomats, etc.

(2) Paragraph (1)(a) does not apply to a person if, at the time of his birth, neither of his parents was a citizen or lawfully admitted to Canada for permanent residence and either of his parents was

(a) a diplomatic or consular officer or other representative or employee in Canada of a foreign government;

Which the Supreme Court ignores, like they always do because they are the worst judicial body in the history of the world.

Finally, they do have spy blood in them. They legally changed their names in Russia in order to fool the Canadian office when applying for the passports. This is what tipped the office off that something was not right.

[nietzsche]

I honestly have no idea about that particular case, but you made it sound like he didn't do anything wrong at first other than being the son of two spies.

Who changed their names? was he an adult when he did this? HOw exactly, and can be proven than when he changed his name he did so to do spy shit. This latter part is under the consideration that, once having a canadian citizenship, you can't just take it from someone because of a crime he commits.


In any case, you're not an idiot like the rest of the political nuts here, you have a variety of other topics you're interested in therefore you must know how stupid you look adopting the position of the uneducated old person reading his paper on a coffee shop or dinner insulted by what the current guy in office did this day, and yesterday, and the day before yesterday, and the last week, and every day for the last 40 years. So no, express your real intention with this musing otherwise i won't play. I would not believe you really think the guy doesn't deserve a chance.

[DoomYoshi]

I honestly have no idea about that particular case, but you made it sound like he didn't do anything wrong at first other than being the son of two spies.

Who changed their names? was he an adult when he did this? HOw exactly, and can be proven than when he changed his name he did so to do spy shit. This latter part is under the consideration that, once having a canadian citizenship, you can't just take it from someone because of a crime he commits.


In any case, you're not an idiot like the rest of the political nuts here, you have a variety of other topics you're interested in therefore you must know how stupid you look adopting the position of the uneducated old person reading his paper on a coffee shop or dinner insulted by what the current guy in office did this day, and yesterday, and the day before yesterday, and the last week, and every day for the last 40 years. So no, express your real intention with this musing otherwise i won't play. I would not believe you really think the guy doesn't deserve a chance.

I'm not sure how you can be this dense. This isn't about giving somebody a chance.

This is the thought process:
1)your parents are criminals
2) therefore you are automatically entitled to irrevocable citizenship for life

How can you not see how stupid that logic is? There are ways to get citizenship and there are reasons to get citizenship. Having your parents declare war on Canada, democracy and civilized society is not one of the ways.

If we gave everyone automatic citizenship if their parents are enemies of the state then you are incentivizing people becoming enemies of the state just so they can get their children citizenship. If everytime you bomb a Canadian embassy, your clan gets citizenship, we are going to need a lot more protection at Embassies.

[nietzsche]

are we going to talk about law or ethics?

if we're going to discuss law, then yes, i guess those rules need to be followed because god gave them to us, i think. or they're some super smart principles, quasi mathematical, figured out by the smartest ever.

but it isn't clear enough for me yet, the facts of the story, and i won't waste a second researching it.

i think you have your mind already set and are using ridiculous statements to express it. i get your point, and you're clearly in the right to be offended and declare war to those windmills. no, but, i do get that what you're saying is that that decision might incentivate others to do the same, although it's quite ridiculous, when it's so easy to get a green card for Canada.


i stand by my original thought, if the guy hasn't done anything wrong himself, there's not reason to take his citizenship from him. Even if he does become a car burglar or something like that, you cannot take his citizenship from him. he's grown up in Canada, he considers himself a Canadian, he probably says sorry every 5 mins. So there are some ethical considerations every government has to follow and it's good they have to follow them. You cannot just because you are angry do something drastic, perhaps it would be a better guideline to follow if you were thinking of making of Canada more of an alpha state, but Canada is a beta state. I'm obviously kidding but you get my point.

[DoomYoshi]

[DoomYoshi]

Found this on the second page!
Here's a funny article to welcome everyone back.

https://www.jacobinmag.com/2020/01/airb ... orytelling

[DoomYoshi]

On the radio this morning, I heard a talk by this man describing his new book and some of the content. So I haven't read this article yet, but I did just listen to a talk where he explained much the same thing:
https://washingtonspectator.org/taibbi-10rulesofhate/

[Dukasaur]

On the radio this morning, I heard a talk by this man describing his new book and some of the content. So I haven't read this article yet, but I did just listen to a talk where he explained much the same thing:
https://washingtonspectator.org/taibbi-10rulesofhate/

Very good article.

Here's something in a related vein:
https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2018/03/largest-study-ever-fake-news-mit-twitter/555104/

[DoomYoshi]

Way down on page five.

https://www.quantamagazine.org/does-tim ... h-20200407

Consider the weather. Because it’s chaotic, or highly sensitive to small differences, we can’t predict exactly what the weather will be a week from now. But because it’s a classical system, textbooks tell us that we could, in principle, predict the weather a week on, if only we could measure every cloud, gust of wind and butterfly’s wing precisely enough. It’s our own fault we can’t gauge conditions with enough decimal digits of detail to extrapolate forward and make perfectly accurate forecasts, because the actual physics of weather unfolds like clockwork.

Now expand this idea to the entire universe. In a predetermined world in which time only seems to unfold, exactly what will happen for all time actually had to be set from the start, with the initial state of every single particle encoded with infinitely many digits of precision. Otherwise there would be a time in the far future when the clockwork universe itself would break down.

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The modern acceptance that there exists a continuum of real numbers, most with infinitely many digits after the decimal point, carries little trace of the vitriolic debate over the question in the first decades of the 20th century. David Hilbert, the great German mathematician, espoused the now-standard view that real numbers exist and can be manipulated as completed entities. Opposed to this notion were mathematical “intuitionists” led by the acclaimed Dutch topologist L.E.J. Brouwer, who saw mathematics as a construct. Brouwer insisted that numbers must be constructible, their digits calculated or chosen or randomly determined one at a time. Numbers are finite, said Brouwer, and they’re also processes: They can become ever more exact as more digits reveal themselves in what he called a choice sequence, a function for producing values with greater and greater precision.

By grounding mathematics in what can be constructed, intuitionism has far-reaching consequences for the practice of math, and for determining which statements can be deemed true. The most radical departure from standard math is that the law of excluded middle, a vaunted principle since the time of Aristotle, doesn’t hold. The law of excluded middle says that either a proposition is true, or its negation is true — a clear set of alternatives that offers a powerful mode of inference. But in Brouwer’s framework, statements about numbers might be neither true nor false at a given time, since the number’s exact value hasn’t yet revealed itself.

There’s no difference from standard math when it comes to numbers like 4, or ½, or pi, the ratio of a circle’s circumference to its diameter. Even though pi is irrational, with no finite decimal expansion, there’s an algorithm for generating its decimal expansion, making pi just as determinate as a number like ½. But consider another number x that’s in the ballpark of ½.

Say the value of x is 0.4999, where further digits unfurl in a choice sequence. Maybe the sequence of 9s will continue forever, in which case x converges to exactly ½. (This fact, that 0.4999… = 0.5, is true in standard math as well, since x differs from ½ by less than any finite difference.)

But if at some future point in the sequence, a digit other than 9 crops up — if, say, the value of x becomes 4.999999999999997… — then no matter what happens after that, x is less than ½. But before that happens, when all we know is 0.4999, “we don’t know whether or not a digit other than 9 will ever show up,” explained Carl Posy, a philosopher of mathematics at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem and a leading expert on intuitionist math. “At the time we consider this x, we cannot say that x is less than ½, nor can we say that x equals ½.” The proposition “x is equal to ½” is not true, and neither is its negation. The law of the excluded middle doesn’t hold.

Moreover, the continuum can’t be cleanly divided into two parts consisting of all numbers less than ½ and all those greater than or equal to ½. “If you try to cut the continuum in half, this number x is going to stick to the knife, and it won’t be on the left or on the right,” said Posy. “The continuum is viscous; it’s sticky.”

Hilbert compared the removal of the law of excluded middle from math to “prohibiting the boxer the use of his fists,” since the principle underlies much mathematical deduction. Although Brouwer’s intuitionist framework compelled and fascinated the likes of Kurt Gödel and Hermann Weyl, standard math, with its real numbers, dominates because of ease of use.

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It is a bit like the weather. Recall that we can’t precisely forecast the weather because we don’t know the initial conditions of every atom on Earth to infinite precision. But in Gisin’s indeterministic version of the story, those exact numbers never existed. Intuitionist math captures this: The digits that specify the weather’s state ever more precisely, and dictate its evolution ever further into the future, are chosen in real time as that future unfolds in a choice sequence. Renato Renner, a quantum physicist at the Swiss Federal Institute of Technology Zurich, said Gisin’s arguments “point in the direction that deterministic predictions are fundamentally impossible in general.”

In other words, the world is indeterministic; the future is open. Time, Gisin said, “is not unfolding like a movie in the cinema. It is really a creative unfolding. The new digits really get created as time passes.”

Fay Dowker, a quantum gravity theorist at Imperial College London, said she is “very sympathetic” to Gisin’s arguments, as “he is on the side of those of us who think that physics doesn’t accord with our experience and therefore it’s missing something.” Dowker agrees that mathematical languages shape our understanding of time in physics, and that the standard Hilbertian mathematics that treats real numbers as completed entities “is certainly static. It has this character of being timeless, and that definitely is a limitation to us as physicists if we’re trying to incorporate something that’s as dynamic as our experience of the passage of time.”

[DoomYoshi]

I like water. It's just too darn wet.
https://www.chemistryworld.com/features ... 60.article

Thankfully there are scientists working on computer models to make it less watery.

[DoomYoshi]

https://theweek.com/articles/918062/ima ... d-bad-song

Is John Lennon's Imagine the worst song in history? Probably.

[jonesthecurl]

I would nominate another: mainly because I once owned a shop in a mall, and the public speakers played this repeatedly at the appropriate season (which in the UK starts about September)
https://genius.com/Piney-gir-snowy-white-snow-and-jingle-bells-lyrics

[DoomYoshi]

I would nominate another: mainly because I once owned a shop in a mall, and the public speakers played this repeatedly at the appropriate season (which in the UK starts about September)
https://genius.com/Piney-gir-snowy-white-snow-and-jingle-bells-lyrics

I'm afraid to listen.

[DoomYoshi]

So next week is the 50th anniversary of American Top 40. Makes sense to celebrate by watching some Scooby Doo reruns.

[DoomYoshi]

If you thought homeopathy was bogus science, wait until you get a load of this:
https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/pe ... nter-libel

Blame Canada!

[2dimes]

I can't believe how long it took me to figure out the Casey Casim thing.

[mookiemcgee]

If you thought homeopathy was bogus science, wait until you get a load of this:
https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/pe ... nter-libel

Blame Canada!

Are you telling me all those Maury episodes were fake news?

[DoomYoshi]

If you thought homeopathy was bogus science, wait until you get a load of this:
https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/pe ... nter-libel

Blame Canada!

Are you telling me all those Maury episodes were fake news?

It depends who did the test.

[DoomYoshi]

Should a tolerant society tolerate differing viewpoints, or is everyone supposed to think the same way?

Apparently, that's a major question of discussion:
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/07/arts ... etter.html

[mookiemcgee]

If you thought homeopathy was bogus science, wait until you get a load of this:
https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/pe ... nter-libel

Blame Canada!

Are you telling me all those Maury episodes were fake news?

It depends who did the test.

Apparently it was this company... Can you find out if they are legit? Fortunately they aren't one of these lazy Canadian companies, but maybe they are a lazy American company?

https://dnacenter.com/

DNA Technology Park
1 DDC Way
Fairfield, OH 45014

Phone
Toll Free: 1.800.613.5768
Local: 1.513.881.7800
Fax: 1.513.881.7803

[DoomYoshi]

So they are certified to be used in legal cases in the United States. Note that they offer both a "legal test" which is one that is admissible in a court of law in the United States, and a Home test, which is not.

I believe also that US regs mean that prenatal tests are not "legal tests", in that they can't be used in court.

However, iirc most Maury episodes are filmed after the child is born. Once a child is born, there is no controversy. Just take the child's blood and everything is easy. It's the prenatal tests that are controversial.

[mrswdk]

DY, have you ever read the DaoDeJing?