Who desrves the Iron Throne?

[mookiemcgee]

It did seem stupid to me that all the women and children hid in a crypt. I mean was it not common knowledge for these Northerners that NK bring people back from the dead?

[jimboston]

It did seem stupid to me that all the women and children hid in a crypt. I mean was it not common knowledge for these Northerners that NK bring people back from the dead?

I didn’t think about that till it was just about to happen.

I guess I kinda assumed they had to be freshly dead.

After the fact I was ‘like duh’.

[jimboston]

Nice!

Does this mean you also vote for Lord Samwell Tarly?

[Dukasaur]

Nice!

Does this mean you also vote for Lord Samwell Tarly?

No. I liked your collection of quotes. That's what I said "Nice" to.

As far as the main thread I'm a firmly committed Sansa loyalist.

[strike wolf]

But Sam didn't do the right thing. He's not a fighter. He knows it. Jon knows it. Ed knew it. It's why they sugge sted he go to the crypt but no he had to prove he wasn't scared and fought along everyone else. Maybe if he's have gone to the crypt, Ed would have lived instead of dying protecting Sam so that Sam could run away.

I'm not denying that Sam has done brave things in the past (standing up to a white walker, defying his family, defying the Citadel, etc) but he was dead weight during the Battle of Winterfell and he would make a terrible king because he won't have the respect of those who he would be leading.

As far as smart, whoever fills the shoes of king/queen (if there will be a king/queen and they don't tear the whole thing down) will have plenty of smart people around to carry out the day to day issues and advise them on bigger matters.

[jimboston]

Who’s better?

[strike wolf]

Tear it down. Have Jon act as the honorable face while Sansa, tyrion and the other smart people do the actual work to make sure the transition from monarchy is effective and peaceful. Send Sam to the Citadel, kick out the Arch Maester and any other maesters who liked to condemn people to death and disfigurement just because they didn't want to bother with proper sanitary procedures. Brienne will be head of whatever replaces the Kingsguard and Arya will be like the CIA going deep undercover to quiet potential rebellions before they begin.

[Symmetry]

But Sam didn't do the right thing. He's not a fighter. He knows it. Jon knows it. Ed knew it. It's why they sugge sted he go to the crypt but no he had to prove he wasn't scared and fought along everyone else. Maybe if he's have gone to the crypt, Ed would have lived instead of dying protecting Sam so that Sam could run away.

I'm not denying that Sam has done brave things in the past (standing up to a white walker, defying his family, defying the Citadel, etc) but he was dead weight during the Battle of Winterfell and he would make a terrible king because he won't have the respect of those who he would be leading.

As far as smart, whoever fills the shoes of king/queen (if there will be a king/queen and they don't tear the whole thing down) will have plenty of smart people around to carry out the day to day issues and advise them on bigger matters.

Sam's kind of an underrated character in GoT. Time after time the books and the series say that being brave and being honourable is a quick way to die. Sam is both, but not always at the same time. Plus, obviously, he's a homage and a parody of JRR Tolkien's Sam by RR Martin (yeah, Martin doesn't have those initials coincidentally).

[strike wolf]

I like Sam overall. He just pissed me off a bit in that episode. Plus I think saying he should be king is a stretch.

[mookiemcgee]

After that last episode I feel like they are starting to Telegraph that Sansa will be the one on the iron thrown when the series ends.

[mrswdk]

I think they're starting to telegraph that the writers are asleep at the wheel.

[Dukasaur]

I think it's coming along swimmingly.

Last episode we eliminated the Night King and all his minions, this episode we dropped another dragon, the next episode we should see the end of the Unsullied and the last dragon. After that Daenerys will have nothing but her twat and her overdramatic Captain-Kirk-like speeches to leverage any attempt at the throne. She will gradually fade into a caricature of her former self.

My predictions for the final episode. I expect Cersei to finally go too far in playing Euron against Jaime. Jaime will kill her and Euron, and the remnants of the Mountain will kill Jaime. Sandor and the Mountain will finally have their fight to the finish, which will be pretty dramatic although probably too long. Sandor will put up a great fight but go down to defeat in the end, at which point Arya will finish the Mountain.

Tyrion will be revealed as a bastard Targaryen; he will finally consummate his marriage with Sansa and they will take the throne together. At least I hope so. I know the depressingly predictable ending is that Jon will take the throne, but I hope not. Nothing against Jon, just that it would be too cliched and depressingly predictable.

Well, actually I do have one thing against Jon...

I think they're starting to telegraph that the writers are asleep at the wheel.

I was really, really pissed off this last episode. He hugged Tormund good-bye but he didn't take a few seconds to go hug Ghost? After everything that wolf has done for him, he wasn't worth a quick hug good-bye? What a turd.

[strike wolf]

I still think Tyrion and Sansa make better true powers behind the throne than actual monarch. Make the right (but probably unpopular) decisions while ghe trustworthy face takes the brunt of the fallout. Jon is a perfectly fine trustworthy face.

Also what are the chances that Rhaegal isn't dead and will fulfill the book foreshadowing of the sea Dragon eating the Kraken? Looked pretty good from the preview of Euron in the next episode.

[mrswdk]

My main problems were that I thought the battle at Winterfell and that naval ambush in episode 4 both sucked.

The battle at Winterfell because the Night King and his army - who've been hyped up as the uber badass villains that will wipe out humankind ever since season 1 - lost the first battle they had with a weak human army because they let their supreme commander get suckered and stabbed to death by a little girl with a dagger, even though he was surrounded by hundreds of his troops and generals at the time. Talk about an anti-climax. Also, GoT used to be a show that fairly happily and regularly killed off major characters when they blundered into dangerous situations, yet all the significant characters involved in the battle at Winterfell survived even though by the end half of them were literally being dragged to the ground by several white walkers. Sam, the Hound, Jaime etc. all should have died.

When the dragon got shot at the start of the naval ambush it was so unbelievable I assumed it was a dream sequence when the arrows started hitting it. Dany's flying high up in the sky and all of a sudden 2-3 crossbow bolts fired from a ship bobbing up and down in the sea smash her dragon to pieces with pinpoint accuracy? Then a dozen different crossbows are suddenly incapable of hitting the second dragon even after it's flown much closer? After which she just runs away and her entire fleet is pulverised, during which one of her main allies is captured from the wreckage but everyone else just swims to shore and is fine. How did Dany fail to notice the fleet waiting to ambush her anyway, given she had a great aerial view of the whole area?

A lot of it has still been pretty good but at times it really does feel like the writers are just cutting things short for the sake of wrapping up the story, which is even worse when you consider they've been happy to waste time on pointless side scenes where unexpected people hooking up with each other, or that Wildling guy moping around like a dope trying to pull Brienne.

[Dukasaur]

Yeah, I agree with you about the ambush. It was rather implausible.

About Arya and the Night King, however, I disagree. Arya is no ordinary assassin. She has been training for this moment all her life. The Faceless Men are the best assassins in the world, but she didn't just pass through their training program, she basically aced it. Being a Stark helps; they've been fighting the White Walkers for millennia. In RPG terms they have the White Walker Slayer feat. The fact that Arya had to survive through all her tribulations despite being smaller and weaker than pretty much everyone she faced prepared her to slide through the lines and be able to get at the Night King. He wasn't going to be beaten by brute force; it required stealth and catlike sneaking to reach him. (The books offer one detail that was left out of the TV show -- while Arya was blinded, she survived by warging and occupying the eyes of a cat. All the Starks have warg abilities to some degree; the TV show only showed us Jon's but in the books every Stark has at least some ability to warg.)

[jimboston]

I like Sam overall. He just pissed me off a bit in that episode. Plus I think saying he should be king is a stretch.

I honestly was just looking for a character that no one mentioned that seemed plausible.


It seems they’re painting Jon Snow to be King, and it seems like that’s been the path for awhile... but I don’t see how they get there going through The Mother of Dragon (yes singular on purpose).

I can only guess maybe they have Daenerys get killed in battle... that would open a clean path for JS.
I don’t see JS fighting Daenerys.

[jimboston]

I was really, really pissed off this last episode. He hugged Tormund good-bye but he didn't take a few seconds to go hug Ghost? After everything that wolf has done for him, he wasn't worth a quick hug good-bye? What a turd.

Ditto 1000%

[strike wolf]

I like Sam overall. He just pissed me off a bit in that episode. Plus I think saying he should be king is a stretch.

I honestly was just looking for a character that no one mentioned that seemed plausible.


It seems they’re painting Jon Snow to be King, and it seems like that’s been the path for awhile... but I don’t see how they get there going through The Mother of Dragon (yes singular on purpose).

I can only guess maybe they have Daenerys get killed in battle... that would open a clean path for JS.
I don’t see JS fighting Daenerys.

Theory: They fake us out and Cersei falls almost without a fight (Euron realizes the kid isn't his [thanks to Tyrion] and jumps ship, the Golden Company follows a similar path to the books and betrays Cersei to support Dany because they're secret Targaryen loyalists, Jaime kills Cersei and gets them into the palace). Things fall out for Dany when she repays Jaime by burning him alive getting Tyrion to jump ship and proceeds to do the same to others who have "wronged her family" causing Jon to finally realize he needs to push for his birthright that he just learned about) to stop Dany. Jon's team wins a hard fought, uphill battle.

[jimboston]

My main problems were that I thought the battle at Winterfell and that naval ambush in episode 4 both sucked.

The battle at Winterfell because the Night King and his army - who've been hyped up as the uber badass villains that will wipe out humankind ever since season 1 - lost the first battle they had with a weak human army because they let their supreme commander get suckered and stabbed to death by a little girl with a dagger, even though he was surrounded by hundreds of his troops and generals at the time. Talk about an anti-climax. Also, GoT used to be a show that fairly happily and regularly killed off major characters when they blundered into dangerous situations, yet all the significant characters involved in the battle at Winterfell survived even though by the end half of them were literally being dragged to the ground by several white walkers. Sam, the Hound, Jaime etc. all should have died.

When the dragon got shot at the start of the naval ambush it was so unbelievable I assumed it was a dream sequence when the arrows started hitting it. Dany's flying high up in the sky and all of a sudden 2-3 crossbow bolts fired from a ship bobbing up and down in the sea smash her dragon to pieces with pinpoint accuracy? Then a dozen different crossbows are suddenly incapable of hitting the second dragon even after it's flown much closer? After which she just runs away and her entire fleet is pulverised, during which one of her main allies is captured from the wreckage but everyone else just swims to shore and is fine. How did Dany fail to notice the fleet waiting to ambush her anyway, given she had a great aerial view of the whole area?

A lot of it has still been pretty good but at times it really does feel like the writers are just cutting things short for the sake of wrapping up the story, which is even worse when you consider they've been happy to waste time on pointless side scenes where unexpected people hooking up with each other, or that Wildling guy moping around like a dope trying to pull Brienne.

hey pedo, we finally found a subject on which we share common ground.

[jimboston]

I like Sam overall. He just pissed me off a bit in that episode. Plus I think saying he should be king is a stretch.

I honestly was just looking for a character that no one mentioned that seemed plausible.


It seems they’re painting Jon Snow to be King, and it seems like that’s been the path for awhile... but I don’t see how they get there going through The Mother of Dragon (yes singular on purpose).

I can only guess maybe they have Daenerys get killed in battle... that would open a clean path for JS.
I don’t see JS fighting Daenerys.

Theory: They fake us out and Cersei falls almost without a fight (Euron realizes the kid isn't his [thanks to Tyrion] and jumps ship, the Golden Company follows a similar path to the books and betrays Cersei to support Dany because they're secret Targaryen loyalists, Jaime kills Cersei and gets them into the palace). Things fall out for Dany when she repays Jaime by burning him alive getting Tyrion to jump ship and proceeds to do the same to others who have "wronged her family" causing Jon to finally realize he needs to push for his birthright that he just learned about) to stop Dany. Jon's team wins a hard fought, uphill battle.

They have started leaning towards Daenerys being a bit TOO interested in claiming her “birthright”... and have shown she’s willing to be violent when necessary, willing to let her subordinates die for her, willing to manipulate Jon with love then the cold shoulder.

The only problem I have with this... is to accomplish it they have to move quickly and seems to me not enough time to flip.

... compared to how slow the first 2 episodes were and how long we waited....

But time have flipped characters before, many times.

[strike wolf]

Yeah. Really wish we would get 8 episodes instead of 6.

[mookiemcgee]

Yeah. Really wish we would get 8 episodes instead of 6.

It would have taken them till 2022 to make 2 more episodes

[mookiemcgee]

I was really, really pissed off this last episode. He hugged Tormund good-bye but he didn't take a few seconds to go hug Ghost? After everything that wolf has done for him, he wasn't worth a quick hug good-bye? What a turd.

Ditto 1000%

I get where you guys are coming from, but at the same time it's a dire wolf, not a golden retriever. A hug would have seemed overly gratuitous imo, I thought the eye-lock was fitting, maybe a thumbs up or a wink might have been in order. Or like a hand held up by jon returned with a paw scratch from the wolf or something.

[Symmetry]

I think it's coming along swimmingly.

Last episode we eliminated the Night King and all his minions, this episode we dropped another dragon, the next episode we should see the end of the Unsullied and the last dragon. After that Daenerys will have nothing but her twat and her overdramatic Captain-Kirk-like speeches to leverage any attempt at the throne. She will gradually fade into a caricature of her former self.

My predictions for the final episode. I expect Cersei to finally go too far in playing Euron against Jaime. Jaime will kill her and Euron, and the remnants of the Mountain will kill Jaime. Sandor and the Mountain will finally have their fight to the finish, which will be pretty dramatic although probably too long. Sandor will put up a great fight but go down to defeat in the end, at which point Arya will finish the Mountain.

Tyrion will be revealed as a bastard Targaryen; he will finally consummate his marriage with Sansa and they will take the throne together. At least I hope so. I know the depressingly predictable ending is that Jon will take the throne, but I hope not. Nothing against Jon, just that it would be too cliched and depressingly predictable.

Well, actually I do have one thing against Jon...

I think they're starting to telegraph that the writers are asleep at the wheel.

I was really, really pissed off this last episode. He hugged Tormund good-bye but he didn't take a few seconds to go hug Ghost? After everything that wolf has done for him, he wasn't worth a quick hug good-bye? What a turd.

I think it depends on what you think Bran was doing over the last few episodes. and if you think he is actually Bran anymore, as to whether the threat the White Walker's posed was the real Big Bad. The Night King certainly seemed like a pawn.

[jimboston]

Bran did shit.