D4of The Reid technique Mafia Game

[Loose Canon]

ok Halrob I'll shut up for now.
I haven't got a solution, I haven't decoded Sonic's "flavour" and I recognise (reluctantly!) my theorising isn't helping town or me, and that while I'm bursting to add my latest wacko thoughts they won't help town either, not with time so short.
Can players please stop asking me what I think - its like having drunk a skinful, being in a taxi sharing the ride with beautiful women on the motorway, and one of the ladies keeps asking the driver to play
TLCs Don't go Chasing Waterfalls.

[Loose Canon]

I think Ragian is the best lynch possible D4

I recognise I am currently the alternative next best suspect - but I'm innocent

If I'm not lynched D4, I'm going to delay sending in my night investigation till end of 48 hours to give me time to read everything in by author order, including Sonic's "flavour"/riddles.

I said I wasn't going to say anything more but like my bladder in the taxi I'm bursting.

I'm wondering if there's anything to support a possible minion role?
One who is mafia aligned but doesn't know who the other mafia are, and who the other mafia don't know is the minion.
Such a role does exist in One Night Werewolf.
It would or could support me being innocent - possible minion was possibly on the Devon lynch by accident.

This is a copy and paste from the internet

Mafia Roles
In the context of Mafia games, Minions are a crucial part of the game's mechanics. They are typically tasked with assisting the Demon, who is the primary antagonist. Minions have abilities that can hinder the good team, making them essential for the evil team's success. The roles of Minions can vary, but they generally include support roles that can provide information, resources, or other advantages to the Demon. Minions are often chosen based on their ability to disrupt or undermine the good team's efforts


I'm still not casting a vote for Ragian yet but my proverbial bladder is seriously bursting to do that as well!

Fully recognise this lays me open to the accusation that if there's a minion its Loose Weak Bladder!!!!

But as I said to the ladies in the Taxi on Wednesday night - yes there is a smell of wee and yes my seat does feel wet as well - it is what it is - can we please now have some Black Metal music taxi driver?

[Ragian]

I'm travelling home now, so my input will be sporadic the next 16 or so hours. Therefore, vote Loose. I think that hjelp has done himself a disservice by messing up his report from Charle. Even if he wanted to paraphrase, there's no way that he'd use the same wording on me (which wasn't paraphrased) and halrob.

That said, Loose is the better lynch. He is our last mafia, and unlike the 3rd party poisoner, he has been out and about killing the last couple of days.

[Ragian]

I'll try to get online when possible, but I doubt how easy it will be. I will get online before the deadline, though.

[SoN!c]

DEADLINE D4 OF THE REID IS 37 HOURS!!

https://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/t ... sive&csz=1

1 day, 13 hours, 34 minutes, 34 seconds

[halrob64]

whats the lynch score Sonic?

[SoN!c]

whats the lynch score Sonic?

Ragian has just now replaced a vote on Loose Canon so OFFICIAL VOTE SCORE is :

Loose Canon : (1) Ragian

Rest is yet to place their bets!

3 votes needed to lynch!

[Loose Canon]

It is a town badge of honour to be voted to be lynched by Ragian.
My proudest moment of this game!

[halrob64]

I suppose I need to spend my Saturday off going through all Sonics clues.
I want to believe in Ragian but there are inconsistencies
Jhelp I think is not making sense ref the night activities of Charle, the answer seems very vague and obstructive
Loose is chaotic
Not sure where you are at Devante?

[Ragian]

Hi from Edinburgh Airport!

@halrob, what are the inconsistencies? I didn't know that Ascetic was a role, and I didn't Google it, but that's being dumb rather than inconsistent, I guess :p

[SoN!c]

I remember other Mafia games when i was in an airport so many miles from home and how much i liked to know the latest developements that went on in game - but experiencing hours of non connection...- always getting excited / supper curious tho!

So cheers Rag! Hope you have a great time in Scotland ! Enjoy!

Also : since these are the final hours of D4..Whoever gets lynched, the MOD can confirm everybody is / was playing a hell of a fun game!

Pumped and super excited how this thrilling finale ends!

[Loose Canon]

Its fair enough that you see me as playing chaotically Halrob.
Just entering into the spirit of having a good and above all fun game - and probably not helping town so much as its my duty to do by doing so - but its a game.

From a quick browse of the first few Sonic posts there might be something to my minion theory;
MINimisatION featured heavily in one.
Luigi - a minion - featured in another
There's probably more but then I'm sure Sonics posts can lead to a multitude of interpretations.

Lynch me for this "chaos" if you like - but if I was a baddun the sensible thing to do might be to save everything in my defence up for D5 after just letting the Ragian lynch happen D4.
I'm not doing that.
I want to see what baddun role Ragian flips - but ideally for town to win he is a Mafia minion. (would give me a fighting chance to avoid a mislynch D5)
I do think the case is proven beyond reasonable doubt - by Hjelp most notably - that he is a baddun of some kind.

[Ragian]

Cheers, Søn!c. I'm on my way home, however. I did have a blast watching my friend and his son wrestle in PWR PRO, and the party afterwards was mental.

@Loose, if you want to see me flip scum, I'm going to disappoint you massively. I am town. Ascetic even.

The only thing that would be better than Loose actually swaying people away from lynching him, would be Hal and Dev being the baddies somehow.

Fuckers are asking me to switch to flight mode now

[Ragian]

And there's no case me apart from a case on my stupidity. Even hjelp has said that Charle's results corroborate my role. You sound desperate, my sweet mafia Loose <3

[Loose Canon]

You have claimed you haven't used your claimed 1 shot yet 2 consecutive nights Charle found you investigation proof and mafia could only be responsible for 1 of those 2.

Your claimed role is ideal for switching of a baddun role.

You are going at me rather than the player who highlighted proof against you.

In all probability 2 of you me and Hjelp have to be badduns

You went hardest almost annoyed at Charle s play

Even going back to D1 your not voting was not town rag play.

There's a tsunami of evidence against you rag

[Devante]

I have Charle's report.

N1. Charle's chosen target was halrob64 and "no result".
N2. Charle's chosen target was Ragian and "no result".
N3. Charle's chosen target was Ragian and "no result".

Hjelp, why did you skew the result wording given to you?

[Devante]

I suppose I need to spend my Saturday off going through all Sonics clues.
I want to believe in Ragian but there are inconsistencies
Jhelp I think is not making sense ref the night activities of Charle, the answer seems very vague and obstructive
Loose is chaotic
Not sure where you are at Devante?

Right now Halrob I'm on the fence whether the information I have has gotten misconstrued or misunderstand by me and you are actually mafia who was converted at beginning of game. Unlikely 3P as you were poisoned unless there's some mechanism there for that and to counter it allowing for a misdirect under the REID technique. For now I have to go with how things point out without any of this REID stuff which in that case makes you town.

With Loose I can see a second cop in play mainly because his investigation on Devon would show a fake result given Darin the quack protected devon night 1 which would as quack messed up that investigation. However Loose is playing very different then he was at the start and in my mind points to likely mafia over 3p. Further warranted by his voting and never hitting scum players. But there is that investigation that was flipped. There's a good possibility he is town and just as usual misguided.

Ragian has the hardest to prove. I can see him bussing a player once but to call it out twice, that's very unlikely. But 3P very possible. Although he has not been sowing chaos as much as say Loose, hjelp or even halrob with his random poems in the mix. But his role is the hardest to verify. There is no way to know if true unless it's triggered by other then town and as such makes it the best fake role to hide behind.

And hjelp, has played townish but always confused me with his random if opt a doesn't work then it must be opt b, or c, or d. And a lot of time putting things in that didn't make sense or seemed fabricated. Similar to Loose in that fashion. Now the Charle result adds some doubt in as well. Inexperience as player could both be adding to difficulty in representing himself as town and articulating it or could be causing difficulty trying to navigate his fake town role with his counter alliance role. But his role does make a lot of sense for what we know of game set-up and the roles that have flipped, mainly charle, ew and the mafia roles.

So where am I at Halrob, thinking jumping in incoming traffic was maybe not a bad idea after all. My gut tells me this REID technique would have you as mafia and Ragian as 3P. But things don't line up and the chaos agent wants a false or misguided manipulated lynch to win. So I hesitate going down that road.

From mechanics side Ragian makes the most sense to lynch as his role can be verified along with alliance since loose and hjelps roles compliment each other and therefore D5, if there even is a D5, could be used to skim out who is lying. If Ragian flips town then the other two are guilty with the possibility of you being a possible party in the mix although less likely. But I don't like that as if he is town it is a role I don't want us to lose.

So letting my wheels turn a bit here some longer

[Devante]

AS of right now I would not lynch Halrob, but the other 3 are options. Ideally I would rather hit mafia then 3P as for night I see mafia as the greater danger.

Hejlp can you answer my question to you above please

[hjelp]

I'm back home now.

As I said. You told me not to quote SoN!c. Therefore I rewrote.
Then I wrote an explanation that I hope that you all understand what I mean.

...
Let me put it this way.
I can confirm Charle’s report N1 and N2.
N3 is the same result as N2.
Target N1 was halrob64.
Target N2 and N3 was Ragian.

Ragian asked me if halrob64 come back as Town, I said that halrob64 came back Town.
halrob64 asked me if innocent, guilty or no result, I said he is innocent.
Then I haven't quoted SoN!c. Instead I have answered the questions.
Ragian came back as no result, both.

None of them triggered Mafia report so regarding Mafia - no result.

[hjelp]

When I say you told me not to quote SoN!c then I mean those players that told me.

[Devante]

I'm back home now.

As I said. You told me not to quote SoN!c. Therefore I rewrote.
Then I wrote an explanation that I hope that you all understand what I mean.

...
Let me put it this way.
I can confirm Charle’s report N1 and N2.
N3 is the same result as N2.
Target N1 was halrob64.
Target N2 and N3 was Ragian.

Ragian asked me if halrob64 come back as Town, I said that halrob64 came back Town.
halrob64 asked me if innocent, guilty or no result, I said he is innocent.
Then I haven't quoted SoN!c. Instead I have answered the questions.
Ragian came back as no result, both.

None of them triggered Mafia report so regarding Mafia - no result.

Not sure whether it applies to just role or the night investigations but won't make you test that.

Regarding Ragian i'll ask the questions then so you can answer, did Ragian come back as no result, guilty or innocent?
did it come back as town at all?
Was it the same result both nights?

[hjelp]

@ Devante
N2. Ragian came back as no result and Charle guessed Mafia blocker or Town jail keeper.
N3. Ragian came back as no result.
It was the same result both nights.

[Ragian]

You have claimed you haven't used your claimed 1 shot yet 2 consecutive nights Charle found you investigation proof and mafia could only be responsible for 1 of those 2.

Your claimed role is ideal for switching of a baddun role.

You are going at me rather than the player who highlighted proof against you.

In all probability 2 of you me and Hjelp have to be badduns

You went hardest almost annoyed at Charle s play

Even going back to D1 your not voting was not town rag play.

There's a tsunami of evidence against you rag

Mate, I'm starting to fear for you. The ascetic bit gives Charle his no result. It has nothing to do with my one shot. Could you please understand that or seek help...

[Ragian]

The rest is very much your version of events. Tailored to your agenda rather than observations made.

[hjelp]

@ Devante
halrob64 is Town confirmed by EW and Charle. You back-up role couldn't have been activated unless a Doc-role or a Cop-role vanished if I understood what you said regarding your role. When halrob64 claimed his role then you stated that the claim coincides with information you had. You then voted on Darin44. I have now confirme halrob64 as Town.
- Halrob64's claim can only be incorrect if your role now is Cop and then halrob64 can be 3P.
- If you are Doc then halrob64's claim is correct and then halrob64 is a retired Doc and can't be 3P.
You don't have to answer if you're a Cop or a Doc.

I said that halrob64 can be Lecter but I think it's more important to find the last Mafia and 3P.

Please take your time to read my assumptions, you will find them on page 54.

BTW, I found your claim about your information connected to halrob64 were "stronger" than my assumptions so I chosed to vote on Darin44 since I think that there is a Doc turned to Mafia in the beginning of the game. It turned out that Darinn44 was town. Therefore I now stick to my assumptions since they are rather "strong" indications.

I have on question
In what way whould Darin44 messed up Loose Canon investigation? please clarify

"With Loose I can see a second cop in play mainly because his investigation on Devon would show a fake result given Darin the quack protected devon night 1 which would as quack messed up that investigation ... "